BOBO, a lot of CO problem IMO has been the influx of "escapees" from Cali and the W coast, once they settle in, they revert to what they disliked in their home state. Plus you get a lot of reverb from the resort town homeowners that live there 1-2 weeks a year but have deep pockets. Same slow process Austin has seen in a round about way.

I'm building my house within hollering distance of Oklahoma. Wouldn't shock me if I ended up retiring there.

Same slow process Austin has seen in a round about way.

Yes Brain Call (Gritty)is 100% correct

Thus why I said elitests take note- elitist takes many forms, such as the mind set of screw them feed the fish heads, to my method is better then yours, or your deer needed another year Etc..

Overall it’s our job to justify properly what we do tonthe non hunting public, we also need to take one from Dr Mahoney’s book and remember our conservation efforts exceed further then keystone game species.

In Ontario the antis and PETA types succeeded in getting the spring black bear hunt cancelled in 1999. Roll the clock forward 15 years and there was a record number of nuisance bears and attacks. Guess what - in 2014 they brought it back in a handful of units as a "pilot project" for residents only. The following year it was brought back completely in all units for residents and non-residents alike. The ban is unfortunate but if problems with nuisance bears start to add up it will be back.

Agreed. There are many forms of hunting I personally have no interest in. But those conversations are for friends and fires not thf and social media.

I’m all for being in the same boat - but have no issue calling out the guys who are shooting holes in the bottom.

I’m all for being in the same boat - but have no issue calling out the guys who are shooting holes in the bottom.

I'm with you. We aren't doing ourselves any favors by circling the wagons around the some dufus who is posting dumb stuff on youtube for his own gain without worrying about how it makes the rest of us look.

I'm with you. We aren't doing ourselves any favors by circling the wagons around the some dufus who is posting dumb stuff on youtube for his own gain without worrying about how it makes the rest of us look.

I think with the huge cultural change in the last say 100 years, it has now become about "presentation", how hunters and the industry present themselves. Just take a look at how a federal right (2nd amendment) has to be fought for, largely imo because of "presentation". The scary part Is all involved are unique, some have an attitude of "F'em, I'll throw a bloody deer over the hood for all to see, as I stop by the kids school to pick them up". Sure it's "legal", but do acts like that present our culture as reflected today?

Hard to use the old, " I hunt to feed my family" in a good debate, when you spend enough each year to buy 3-4 cows that we all know come from the deli pre wrapped.

If it's legal keep it to yourself if you don't agree unless asked for your opinion. If you don't like the law, work with lawmakers to change it.

General public wants to see utilization/consumption confirmed not heads. Joe Rogan has become a random hunting advocate, because of the way the non-hunting public sees his why’s. His social media perception is him carrying a skinned out moose leg, cooking venison on the grill, comparing backstrap size of different animals, describing trials and tribulations, not just a picture of a head.

I have noticed the trend towards getting a new acceptance of hunting has been the "eat what we kill and kill what we eat" movement.

which is totally fine by me. You get a whole new crop of hunters with a totally different mindset who have never been exposed to hunting until their adulthood. its big in the western states where there is a lot of public ground and cheap tags for residents and can actually make financial sense to live off wild game rather than farmed animals.


I enjoy shows like "meat eater" and listen to steve rinellas podcast, which i do enjoy. My concern though is that large scale conservation efforts are not funded by sustenance hunting but thru trophy hunting. I like to eat wild game as much as the next person. I am not gonna sit here and lie and say that a deer or elk steak is as good as a well marbled prime rib or rib eye but game meat is ok. we buy very little store bought beef because we kill so much food, but that is not why i am out hunting....its for the thrill of the chase and the trophy just as much as the meat. I think that we as hunters have to be honest with ourselves and come to grips with this or we are going to tear our own house down placating to the general public




I am starting to get a tad bitter/cynical about the "new movement" way they are portraying it. Listened to a Cameron Hayes tape about earlier about how he stayes in shape to be a top predator and because is serious business taking a life of the animal and because there is a life at stake he needs to be in top shape or its not right to the animals, etc. The only life at stake is your own. if you kill a deer or elk you kill a deer or elk. i know guys in semi-decent shape who kill year after year you he can stay in shape because he has the time and gets sponsored to do so. This "holier than thou one with nature, life is sacred" shtick is getting old, its not how things really are. Conservation is vital but it came about originally and continues to push forward because people want animals to shoot at, not necessarily to eat.