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Re: The cost of wolves [Re: syncerus] #7011099 12/25/17 05:44 PM
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C'Mon guys it's Christmas. Back off a little bit.


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Aerangis clearly hates humans that hate Brussels sprouts.

Go up to lake hugo and camp at Ratton landing. Get to talking to the old man with Arizona plates that runs the park. He was an actual rancher in wolf country. Not past generations in places where there once was wolves. I'd bet your greats killed plenty of wolves.



I like Brussels sprouts. It’s a statically proven fact that kids that eat Brussels sprouts get more toys for Christmas.

Re: The cost of wolves [Re: J.G.] #7011144 12/25/17 06:27 PM
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Coyotes kill far more calves and fawns than any domestic or feral dogs could ever dream of. A rancher supporting predator rights over livestock isn't much of a rancher.


That’s a strong assertion, the assumption being your a subject matter expert, a licensed bovine actuary?


I know in my area I NEVER see stray dogs roaming. My nearest neighbor is a mile away. But I probably kill a coyote every week to every other week, and have continously for 4 years.



One kill a week?

I killed 30,000 in one day. Fire ants...... killed every one of the little bastards

Re: The cost of wolves [Re: syncerus] #7011160 12/25/17 06:53 PM
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Seriously though....

I live in a rural area that’s experienced a significant amount of growth in the past 10 years and coyotes were quite common until several years ago when they suddenly disappeared along with some large rat snakes that had been around for years. Now, I see tons of rats and mice and have had 3 cars, a boat,pool equipment, landscape lighting, tennis court nets, and several appliances damaged by rats chewing the wiring. And some of these rats were Norway rats which can grow to the size of a rabbit,

One of cars cost close to 20k to replace the wiring harness.

Re: The cost of wolves [Re: syncerus] #7011167 12/25/17 07:00 PM
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So where do you think the coyotes and snakes went?


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Re: The cost of wolves [Re: J.G.] #7011210 12/25/17 08:24 PM
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[quote=FiremanJG]So where do you think the coyotes and snakes went? [/quote

Neighbor killed two that I’d caught in my yard a while back when they were small.i used toenail clippers to clip a notch in one of their scutes (SOP in academic circles to mark a specimen for identification).

They liked to sun themselves on some rocks in my landscape and were surprisingly tame, never biting or nervous when handled. Summer before last I’m in my backyard swimming when I heard my neighbors yelling and screaming in their backyard where they’d been swimming. A few minutes later, he hollers and tells me to come look at the giant copperheads he just killed. I hopped the fence, walked over to where everyone was standing and there they were dead. My neighbor was amped to the gills going on an on about how dangerous they were and somebody could have been killed.youd have thought he’d killed a brown bear bare handed. When I politely suggested they weren’t copperheads he said he was a snake expert in Boy Scouts and bet $100, I said hold on, retrieved a Peterson Field Guide and showed him a copperhead pic (gen. Agkistrodon) and a pic of a Texas Rat Snake (Gen, Lampropeltus),

I asked him if they’d ever seen rats or mice around their house and he stated no. He’s had problems with chewed wiring since. I added that those snakes had been around my house for years and I’d caught them when they were a foot long. He made several remarks that implied I was FOS and told him the patter clipped on the scutes7

Re: The cost of wolves [Re: syncerus] #7011219 12/25/17 08:43 PM
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I would say the majority of people are going to kill every snake they see. I let non-venomous go about their business.

You did not mention anything about the coyotes...


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Re: The cost of wolves [Re: syncerus] #7011231 12/25/17 09:04 PM
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The wolf uncontolled has changed the Wyoming of my youth. Humans mold the environment to their desires always have always will. The issue IMO is when management is determined by the court system there is nothing scientific about it. The ECOs figured this out in the 70s and when there is no economic recourse against them if proven wrong they have no downside to going to court.

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All I can say is the Red Wolves have wiped out our deer herd in eastern N.C. Dam a wolf. Forrest

Re: The cost of wolves [Re: aerangis] #7011428 12/26/17 01:29 AM
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Bobo, you saying the eco terrorists were for reintroduction as a means to end the need for human animal control (hunting)?

Never thought of that before, but then again, haven't much thought much about wolves in the past either....


Bobo, please post links to the sources for your assertions. Thanks in advance.

My family has ranched cattle in Texas, NM, OK, KS, and Louisiana since the 1800’s, and I’ve seen more attacks by feral dogs than any other canines. Aside from the occasional calf or cow in distress, attacks by wolves & coyotes were relatively uncommon though slightly more common on fawns in areas with high deer density though not any more than other apex predators occupying the same habitats.

The significant populations of game animals in remote sections of N. America where hunting is rare to non existent, where other species of apex predators occupy the same niche and compete for the same resources to feed and survive, how would wolves affect the ecological balance in those environs in a detrimental, statistically significant manner that’s different? Research has shown they don’t, much less than other apex or opportunistic predators, or accidents, famine or environmental and ecological factors such as drought, disease, fires, flooding, severe cold, etc.

Those that suspect that the reintrodtion of wolves is an agenda promulgated by those who’s real goal is a veiled attempt to erode the rights of hunters should voice their concern in a manner that’s constructive and meaningful. Opinions voiced as fact is nothing more than a waste of time as is espousing misinformation as fact. And stating that the reintroduction of wolves in their native habitat may result in the gradual loss of hunting rights is a stretch. It didn’

The real threat to hunters is the lack of a concerted grass roots effort to stand unified in one common voice for our rights as naturalist, hunters, and responsible stewards of the land. And it’s as much our right to enjoy a legally protected right that’s just as deeply ingrained in our culture as faith, family, and being American. I may not agree with someone’s lifestyle or religious beliefs but I served our country’s military and was willing to give my life to safeguard their right to live as they choose. And it’s a shame this country has become polarized and intolerant. And the dissemination of inflammatory, sensationalist news and misinformation by news media, and social media is just a few of the reasons.



I can’t find where they have reintroduced wolves into any of the states you mentioned so I am assuming that you are talking about coyotes or dogs. No wolf sightings in 75years where you ranch except for a few counties in NM.

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Re: The cost of wolves [Re: syncerus] #7011437 12/26/17 01:42 AM
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Wolves are wiping out our remnant Caribou:

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/ontario...pter-1.3713373

Typical gov't stupidity to try and relocate the caribou. Cheapest way to fix the problem would be a day or two with a chopper and go to town on the wolves.


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Re: The cost of wolves [Re: syncerus] #7011444 12/26/17 01:47 AM
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Wolves are not evil. Neither are grizzlies or mountain lions. They are what they are and they do what they do. I am neither for their wholesale extirpation because they might might make a rancher’s life difficult nor their unfettered propagation come what may to wildlife populations because they are anthromorphised as something regal or pretty (which just happened with the grizzlies in BC).

I am for as much of a balance as can be achieved with the welfare of all wildlife in mind. There is a difference between respect and worship. The former is based on science, while the latter is based on emotion.


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Re: The cost of wolves [Re: aerangis] #7011471 12/26/17 02:15 AM
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Name one blip that’s improved the world we live in, that we’ve improved and that’s made the Eartg a better place to live?


Before I answer that I would first have to ask a question of you so I'll know where to begin, all I need is a date. When was the earth a better place than it is now?


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Re: The cost of wolves [Re: aerangis] #7011518 12/26/17 02:50 AM
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No eco terrorist bunny thumper ever under-estimated wolves.

In the US Yellowstone was a pure experiment on unglulate control. 17k elk to 4K in less then 10 years.
Lots of elk hunting tag allocation around the park closed or significantly cut

They just had a two year study on frank church’s Wolf predation on because of what was going to be reveled.

This is about the stopping the NEED for hunting, and the SUSTAINABILITY.



My .02 and worth more than you’ve got inthe bank......:)


This is analogous to an audience observing gladiatorial games determining that early man couldn’t have possibly survived to the modern age due to the prevalence of large, meat eating predators. Modern, relational prey/predator statistical analytics between the two afore mentioned species in an environment that has little in common with their prior evolutionary habitat was is as relevant as my left nut performing a duet with Lady Gaga’s pancreas. And the dribble that passes for a lot of environmental and biological science is destined to the trasheap of history.

Hearing nonsense in the guise of science makes me want to go get an old fashioned cupping or bled

I hear .a mercury enema and snifter of laudanum works wonders as well.

Science is a profession of guess until you get it right. Conjecture is idi-farking-odic.


[bAw how cute a wolfaboo. Your 2cents is worth more then I have in the bank?? That’s some funny shiit. A wolf boo that needs to brag about his bank account.. it will be ok little guy. Learn to use quote button.

Again why did your people want the FC study shredded and not released to the public? Why spend millions of dollars to prevent state management after the relocated Canadian wolves reached their previous designated lower 48 recovered number status?


Proper use of the phrase Quote” button is a prerequisite to taking the next class, “Understanding Sarcasm and it’s use :


I see, so You have yet to anwser one single question I have asked. Troll on Rockerfella


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Proper use of the phrase Quote” button is a prerequisite to taking the next class, “Understanding Sarcasm and it’s use :


I see, so You have yet to anwser one single question I have asked. Troll on Rockerfella


Notice his failure to properly quote me.
As well as his 50% answer to my question.

Must be a politician.


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He can sure get things stirred up.

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Wolves were made extinct for a reason---- worthless Predator. If they are dead they don't have to eat. Forrest

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