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#6987525 - 12/07/17 06:08 PM Worst Style of Rings/Bases for a rifle!!!!!
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I've been talking about these crappy rings/bases for several years now, and I finally got another rifle in that had some holding zero issues and would not shoot well. So, I am taking some pictures of the rings/bases to show the exact problems with this set up. I have seen this on multiple rifles, and I have to pass on this info. This style of rear windage screws that clamp onto the ring "ears" do not work! They will not hold zero! I have seen many rifles with these rings/bases that will not hold zero and will often times be off their zero, sometimes severely off, with no warning. Granted, most of the rifles I have seen these issues were on a magnum rifle. These rings/bases came off a light weight 300 Wby Mag with a BIG Leupold scope on it. So what's happening is there is a lot of recoil since the rifle is light weight. The scope is a big scope, so there's a lot of weight up top. During recoil, the scope wants to stay in place while the rifle recoils to the rear. There is a lot of force in this one area on the rear windage screw and ring "ears". The result is picture below.

The number one problem of bases/rings that I see is this style of rear windage screw base and ring "ear" set up. Every gun counter in America has a pair of them on the shelf and they are dirt cheap. I highly do NOT recommend this style of rings and bases.

Picture #1- A standard set of rear windage and front dove tail rings and bases.
Picture #2- You can see the rear windage screws of the base clamping onto the "ears" of the rings. If you look close, you can see some slight daylight or uneven area in the front of the ring.
Picture #3- you can see where the windage screw clamps onto the "ears" of the ring, and there's some shiny spots from the movement of the "ears".
Picture #4- This shows the movement of the "ears" and how they are bending in the rear windage screws. I have seen these "ears" sheer completely off in some cases.
Picture #5- Addition view of the bending of the "ears"

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#6987539 - 12/07/17 06:22 PM Re: Worst Style of Rings/Bases for a rifle!!!!! [Re: ChadTRG42]
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I agree wholeheartedly, these are a very poor choice. In truth and fairness, I have seen them work well in numerous instances...but in my opinion every one of these rigs, no matter how well each was working at the time, was just a failure waiting to happen.
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#6987554 - 12/07/17 06:33 PM Re: Worst Style of Rings/Bases for a rifle!!!!! [Re: ChadTRG42]
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#6987574 - 12/07/17 06:49 PM Re: Worst Style of Rings/Bases for a rifle!!!!! [Re: ChadTRG42]
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An abomination! Like river rider, I have seen them work well, but I have also seen guys shoot up a lot of ammo trying to sight in a rifle before giving up, then either blame the scope or the rifle. they are particularly susceptible to the ham fisted guy who goes with gorilla tight.


Edited by Smokey Bear (12/07/17 07:37 PM)
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#6987598 - 12/07/17 07:10 PM Re: Worst Style of Rings/Bases for a rifle!!!!! [Re: ChadTRG42]
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Flat toothpicks are an abomination, too.
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#6987619 - 12/07/17 07:20 PM Re: Worst Style of Rings/Bases for a rifle!!!!! [Re: Smokey Bear]
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Originally Posted By: Smokey Bear
An abomination! Like redchevy I have seen them work well, but I have also seen guys shoot up a lot of ammo trying to sight in a rifle before giving up, then either blame the scope or the rifle. they are particularly susceptible to the ham fisted guy who goes with gorilla tight.



I am not redchevy. I think you owe him an apology.

banana
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#6987645 - 12/07/17 07:43 PM Re: Worst Style of Rings/Bases for a rifle!!!!! [Re: ChadTRG42]
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Oops! Fixed it. My sincerest apologies to all. They are still an abomination. Must have been distracted. It just started to snow and that happens very seldom in my neck of the woods.
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#6987790 - 12/07/17 09:21 PM Re: Worst Style of Rings/Bases for a rifle!!!!! [Re: ChadTRG42]
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I've never had a problem with mine.
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#6987792 - 12/07/17 09:24 PM Re: Worst Style of Rings/Bases for a rifle!!!!! [Re: ChadTRG42]
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Originally Posted By: Texas Dan
I've never had a problem with mine.


Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
I've been talking about these crappy rings/bases for several years now, and I finally got another rifle in that had some holding zero issues and would not shoot well.


rolleyes
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#6987822 - 12/07/17 09:53 PM Re: Worst Style of Rings/Bases for a rifle!!!!! [Re: ChadTRG42]
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Man lots of bubbas and booger pickers are going to be upset you called their baby ugly

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#6987861 - 12/07/17 10:31 PM Re: Worst Style of Rings/Bases for a rifle!!!!! [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Originally Posted By: Texas Dan
I've never had a problem with mine.


Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
I've been talking about these crappy rings/bases for several years now, and I finally got another rifle in that had some holding zero issues and would not shoot well.


rolleyes
This was my dad even after the issues we had at last year's Hunting Rifle comp. Changed them out to just normal 2-piece Weaver base and Zeiss rings. Zero issues since.

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#6987868 - 12/07/17 10:39 PM Re: Worst Style of Rings/Bases for a rifle!!!!! [Re: ChadTRG42]
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I'm sure there are some of these rings on rifles that are working just fine, at the moment. But... If you know there is a known issue with a rifle holding zero, would you still use them? These rings are about $30. Hunters spend THOUSANDS of dollars on lease, trips, gas, food, ammo... only to leave them self wide open for rifle disappointment. I had (note, HAD) these rings on a rifle a long time ago. I battled a wondering POI, and didn't know why. Now I know why, and I'm passing along this info. Again, this is the only one I have documented with pictures and info on it. I've had MANY rifles come through the door with these rings having an issue. It's not an isolated incident.

Originally Posted By: Sneaky
Flat toothpicks are an abomination, too.


LOL! My round one's wouldn't stay in place!
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#6987885 - 12/07/17 10:54 PM Re: Worst Style of Rings/Bases for a rifle!!!!! [Re: ChadTRG42]
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What bases for a Remy 700 sa would you recommend?
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#6987898 - 12/07/17 11:05 PM Re: Worst Style of Rings/Bases for a rifle!!!!! [Re: RiverRider]
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Originally Posted By: RiverRider
Originally Posted By: Smokey Bear
An abomination! Like redchevy I have seen them work well, but I have also seen guys shoot up a lot of ammo trying to sight in a rifle before giving up, then either blame the scope or the rifle. they are particularly susceptible to the ham fisted guy who goes with gorilla tight.



I am not redchevy. I think you owe him an apology.

banana


I laughed earlier when I read that.

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#6987902 - 12/07/17 11:07 PM Re: Worst Style of Rings/Bases for a rifle!!!!! [Re: Brother in-law]
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Originally Posted By: Brother in-law
Man lots of bubbas and booger pickers are going to be upset you called their baby ugly

Very true Princess. Very true. We call that unfortunately you picked the wrong chit.

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