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#6986485 - 12/07/17 07:40 AM Cannot Remember This Phenomenon
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Has there ever been a new Cartridge come to market that was so popular it created a shortage of powder to reload it with?
I don’t remember that ever happening before now with the Creedmoor’s and H 4350

Just was thinking about this after calls about what was the best powder to get for their new Creedmoor from multiple folks.
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#6986553 - 12/07/17 08:20 AM Re: Cannot Remember This Phenomenon [Re: DStroud]
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Not that I can recall.
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#6986564 - 12/07/17 08:27 AM Re: Cannot Remember This Phenomenon [Re: DStroud]
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Never laid eyes on a creedmor but have several pounds of 4350 on the bench and many of my loads use it. I think it is just a really good popular powder choice. I also think the stock pile mentality bites us all in the rear.
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#6986662 - 12/07/17 09:20 AM Re: Cannot Remember This Phenomenon [Re: DStroud]
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Yes, it is the go-to powder, for sure. I spoke to Hodgdon about it, and they are bringing in 3x-4x the amount they used to of H4350, and still have a shortage. The demand for it has heavily risen. But there are other powders that will work well- IMR 4451, IMR 4350
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#6986779 - 12/07/17 10:11 AM Re: Cannot Remember This Phenomenon [Re: DStroud]
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If I recall my history correctly, IMR 4350 was introduced in 1940 for the growing interest in the .300 H&H cartridge. It's funny how the first magnum powder is still the most generally useful, albeit in the Hodgdon flavor.
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#6986799 - 12/07/17 10:18 AM Re: Cannot Remember This Phenomenon [Re: DStroud]
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A few years ago it was Varget. Everyone shot 308 and more and more competitions were being held. You couldn't get Varget, and it was going for a premium.
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#6986863 - 12/07/17 10:52 AM Re: Cannot Remember This Phenomenon [Re: redchevy]
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Originally Posted By: redchevy
Never laid eyes on a creedmor but have several pounds of 4350 on the bench and many of my loads use it. I think it is just a really good popular powder choice. I also think the stock pile mentality bites us all in the rear.


No I agree its a good powder BUT as Chad said when overall powder gets tight as it did a while back powders like Varget were hard to get as I would guess and say its more popular than H4350 WAS. And why does IMR 4350 not dry up too.... because Hornady first loaded their 6.5 Creedmoor Match ammo with the data on the box showing H4350 and now you can't hardly find the stuff.

Another point..... I have H4350(a few pounds)but rarely use it in the Creedmoor. I use Reloader 16 and now you can hardly find it once folks discovered how well it worked in the Creedmoor. Do you could say it's created shortages of two powders it's so popular.

Oh and I started this post for Scottfromdallas as he is such a fanboy for the Creedmoor.... cheers


Edited by DStroud (12/07/17 11:02 AM)
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#6986880 - 12/07/17 11:00 AM Re: Cannot Remember This Phenomenon [Re: ChadTRG42]
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Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
A few years ago it was Varget. Everyone shot 308 and more and more competitions were being held. You couldn't get Varget, and it was going for a premium.


Very true, the flavor of the day cartridge and usage is what dictates the availability of the powder to an extent.

Flavor of the day cartridges can affect availability of components.
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#6987251 - 12/07/17 02:58 PM Re: Cannot Remember This Phenomenon [Re: DStroud]
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Originally Posted By: DStroud
Originally Posted By: redchevy
Never laid eyes on a creedmor but have several pounds of 4350 on the bench and many of my loads use it. I think it is just a really good popular powder choice. I also think the stock pile mentality bites us all in the rear.


No I agree its a good powder BUT as Chad said when overall powder gets tight as it did a while back powders like Varget were hard to get as I would guess and say its more popular than H4350 WAS. And why does IMR 4350 not dry up too.... because Hornady first loaded their 6.5 Creedmoor Match ammo with the data on the box showing H4350 and now you can't hardly find the stuff.

Another point..... I have H4350(a few pounds)but rarely use it in the Creedmoor. I use Reloader 16 and now you can hardly find it once folks discovered how well it worked in the Creedmoor. Do you could say it's created shortages of two powders it's so popular.

Oh and I started this post for Scottfromdallas as he is such a fanboy for the Creedmoor.... cheers


^^All true.

Chad told me a trade secret about a powder for a recent project. And I have no shared what it is. Nope, not gonna do it. grin
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#6987321 - 12/07/17 03:50 PM Re: Cannot Remember This Phenomenon [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Chad told me a trade secret about a powder for a recent project. And I have no shared what it is. Nope, not gonna do it. grin


Then shut up about it you prick tease grin
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#6987353 - 12/07/17 04:21 PM Re: Cannot Remember This Phenomenon [Re: DStroud]
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LMAO!! (What's the secret? I don't know!!!)
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#6988139 - 12/08/17 07:59 AM Re: Cannot Remember This Phenomenon [Re: DStroud]
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The availability of internet for advertising and word of mouth through forums such as this have helped to increase the popularity of great new products. Not to mention that people seem to have more available money or credit now than they did yeas ago. It's great to be an American cool
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#6988469 - 12/08/17 11:22 AM Re: Cannot Remember This Phenomenon [Re: DStroud]
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It for sure has take over for Varget in hard to find category. Though I see it for sale on forums often but not in stores.
the only thing harder to find is Fed215M primers. Id lump Berger 215 hybrids into that group as well.
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#6990466 - 12/10/17 07:13 AM Re: Cannot Remember This Phenomenon [Re: DStroud]
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I use H4350 for 6.5x55 and 257R exclusively. I'm about to give up waiting for it and try IMR4451.

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2016/06/guide-to-imrs-enduron-powders-what-you-need-to-know/

"IMR 4451 is a mid-range burn speed powder, ideally suited for cartridges such as .270 Winchester, .30-06 and 300 Winchester Short Magnum. This powder is comparable to Hodgdon H4350."

"Copper fouling reduction – these powders contain an additive that drastically reduces copper fouling in the gun barrel. Copper fouling should be minimal, allowing shooters to spend more time shooting and less time cleaning a rifle to retain accuracy.

Temperature change stability – the Enduron line is insensitive to temperature changes. Whether a rifle is sighted in during the heat of summer, hunted in a November snowstorm or hunting multiple locations with drastic temperature swings, point of impact with ammunition loaded with Enduron technology will be very consistent.

Optimal load density - Enduron powders provide optimal load density, assisting in maintaining low standard deviations in velocity and pressure, a key feature for top accuracy.

Environmentally friendly - Enduron technology is environmentally friendly, crafted using raw materials that are not harmful to the environment."


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#6990555 - 12/10/17 08:51 AM Re: Cannot Remember This Phenomenon [Re: DStroud]
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I'm seeing some very good reviews on IMR4451 as a replacement for H4350. I've tried it, but haven't worked with it enough to form my own opinion on it. I have found that Re16 is as good as H4350 in the .30-06, and I see no reason that shouldn't apply to other cartridges where H4350 is fasvored.
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