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#6982708 - 12/04/17 05:03 PM Spike to a Booner - Photos of Aging Deer
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Thought this article following a deer through the years would be of interest.

https://www.realtree.com/deer-hunting/galleries/photo-gallery-from-buttons-to-booner

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#6982739 - 12/04/17 05:20 PM Re: Spike to a Booner - Photos of Aging Deer [Re: jeffbird]
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I have always liked this article/pictorial. It shows that if you just keep things simple and let deer mature, you never know what you will see grow.

I just visited a friend's place in southwest Texas. Free range ranchettes varying in size from 50 acres to 300 which he has. Has some friends "helping" with the upkeep and management. Killed a 2-3 year old 8 point that looked just like this buck at 2.5 and called it a cull. I kept my mouth shut as I didn't want to stir the pot and create an uncomfortable situation.

Thanks for posting this jeffbird. up
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#6982752 - 12/04/17 05:24 PM Re: Spike to a Booner - Photos of Aging Deer [Re: jeffbird]
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That's why I refuse to shoot a yearling regardless of what's on it's head! You never know what genetics you are "culling" at that age.

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#6982760 - 12/04/17 05:31 PM Re: Spike to a Booner - Photos of Aging Deer [Re: jeffbird]
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Years ago in one of the mags there were pictures of a buck at the Mississippi state deer research facility that went from small 3pt with very small fork at 1.5 that turned into a 237inch non-typical. Now a 2.5 or older spike gets shot on my place if I can
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#6982769 - 12/04/17 05:35 PM Re: Spike to a Booner - Photos of Aging Deer [Re: jeffbird]
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Good read!
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#6983342 - 12/05/17 12:08 AM Re: Spike to a Booner - Photos of Aging Deer [Re: jeffbird]
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Yep, so hard on a lease to get age on them. Impressive. We finally had a guy pass on a nice 120 inch 9. If he can live, he will be very nice next year. Luckily our trigger happy guy already tagged out on a 3 year old 13 inch (my measurement was less than 13 inches) 10 pt and 1 year old 5 inch spike. He likes backstraps though...

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#6983385 - 12/05/17 05:36 AM Re: Spike to a Booner - Photos of Aging Deer [Re: jeffbird]
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Good article. Thanks for posting it.
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#6983405 - 12/05/17 06:27 AM Re: Spike to a Booner - Photos of Aging Deer [Re: jeffbird]
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Interesting and good article up

Wonder how he is positive that is the same buck in pic 1. buck/spike at 1 1/2 and nice main frame 8 point at 2 1/2?
Think about it, he is on a 3,000 acre private ranch not high fenced in the NY Adirondack mountains which makes spotting and tracking non tagged deer even harder.

If I have not taken a buck that I deem worthy, I am still shooting rifle a spike for it is hard to convince me that if you have two 1 1/2 year olds bucks, one is a spike and the other is a 4 or 6 point, that the spike could have the same potential as the 4 or 6 pointer.


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#6983484 - 12/05/17 07:44 AM Re: Spike to a Booner - Photos of Aging Deer [Re: Pitchfork Predator]
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Originally Posted By: Pitchfork Predator
I have always liked this article/pictorial. It shows that if you just keep things simple and let deer mature, you never know what you will see grow.

I just visited a friend's place in southwest Texas. Free range ranchettes varying in size from 50 acres to 300 which he has. Has some friends "helping" with the upkeep and management. Killed a 2-3 year old 8 point that looked just like this buck at 2.5 and called it a cull. I kept my mouth shut as I didn't want to stir the pot and create an uncomfortable situation.

Thanks for posting this jeffbird. up


Yea, I was actually thinking the same thing. Not sure why the deer was taken, but will address that later when he and I can sit down and chat.. heh I let 4 deer walk, one which I thought could have been taken, but I chose to err on the side of caution.

Technically, we could and maybe should take 10-12 deer a year on the ranch, but with people doing stupid crap, I would rather take 1-3 and see the herd improve than try to "cull" deer and have mistakes like that damage the herd.

I know we are having an impact, but each year we seem to have someone make a mistake.. one year it was a 4-point (taken on purpose), next year an 8-point that was too young.. then again the following year.

We are making headway, but it is frustrating.

Russ
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#6983493 - 12/05/17 07:52 AM Re: Spike to a Booner - Photos of Aging Deer [Re: Stub]
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Originally Posted By: Stub
Interesting and good article up

Wonder how he is positive that is the same buck in pic 1. buck/spike at 1 1/2 and nice main frame 8 point at 2 1/2?
Think about it, he is on a 3,000 acre private ranch not high fenced in the NY Adirondack mountains which makes spotting and tracking non tagged deer even harder.

If I have not taken a buck that I deem worthy, I am still shooting rifle a spike for it is hard to convince me that if you have two 1 1/2 year olds bucks, one is a spike and the other is a 4 or 6 point, that the spike could have the same potential as the 4 or 6 pointer.


I have seen that piece and enjoyed it. I have the same nagging doubts as you about the certainty of the first pic being the same deer.
Even so, no credible person ever says “always” or “never” when it comes to WT deer. They are individuals just like people. You just have to make your best decisions playing the odds with imperfect information. I agree with you - if most of your yearlings are spikes, those decisions are just shots in the dark, as it were. If most of your yearlings are branch-antlered, the decision is easier. Even so, not every decision will be the best one. Again, just playing percentages.
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#6983514 - 12/05/17 08:00 AM Re: Spike to a Booner - Photos of Aging Deer [Re: JohnRussell]
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I have always liked this article/pictorial. It shows that if you just keep things simple and let deer mature, you never know what you will see grow.

I just visited a friend's place in southwest Texas. Free range ranchettes varying in size from 50 acres to 300 which he has. Has some friends "helping" with the upkeep and management. Killed a 2-3 year old 8 point that looked just like this buck at 2.5 and called it a cull. I kept my mouth shut as I didn't want to stir the pot and create an uncomfortable situation.

Thanks for posting this jeffbird. up


Yea, I was actually thinking the same thing. Not sure why the deer was taken, but will address that later when he and I can sit down and chat.. heh I let 4 deer walk, one which I thought could have been taken, but I chose to err on the side of caution.

Technically, we could and maybe should take 10-12 deer a year on the ranch, but with people doing stupid crap, I would rather take 1-3 and see the herd improve than try to "cull" deer and have mistakes like that damage the herd.

I know we are having an impact, but each year we seem to have someone make a mistake.. one year it was a 4-point (taken on purpose), next year an 8-point that was too young.. then again the following year.

We are making headway, but it is frustrating.

Russ


I know it can be very frustrating.

We have found that getting everybody together for a pre season meeting to discuss the type of deer we want to kill has helped a lot. We look at pics of what a mature deers characteristics are. We also look at younger bucks characteristics to make sure we don't kill those deer. There are still gonna be mistakes, but they rarely occur on deer that are 3 or younger.
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#6983534 - 12/05/17 08:18 AM Re: Spike to a Booner - Photos of Aging Deer [Re: jeffbird]
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Good call... we will see about implementing that idea. thanks! wink

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#6983549 - 12/05/17 08:25 AM Re: Spike to a Booner - Photos of Aging Deer [Re: jeffbird]
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So how do yal feel about no browtine deer?

Had a 1.5 year old 6 a few years ago (3 on beams no brows) next year he was the same but just marginally bigger, little spread short tines and a slick no-brow 6. Do you shoot them? Do you pass them? We shot him.

A few years before we had a no brow 6 at 1.5. At 2.5 he was the same but we never got around to shooting him. At 3.5 he was actually an 8 pt but I don't think his brows were long enough to score and while he was a pretty deer too look at with pretty decent tine length on his other points he was considerably lagging his peers that had brows. We never saw him again, not sure what happened to him.

My thinking on spikes, I try not to shoot them all. Looking at them you can see that some are tiny and were likely born late and some are same size as the average yearlings just don't have branched antlers, those are the ones I look to shoot. If they have a fork or split or nub etc. I'm likely to pass them.

Oh and I also do not believe that they know its the same deer from spike on. This has been posted on here before though.


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#6983553 - 12/05/17 08:28 AM Re: Spike to a Booner - Photos of Aging Deer [Re: jeffbird]
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All deer with no brow tine at 2.5 yrs old are fair game on my place.
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#6983568 - 12/05/17 08:37 AM Re: Spike to a Booner - Photos of Aging Deer [Re: jeffbird]
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Been a lot of tag studies involving spike bucks making it well over above average.

That podcaster dude that use to be on here,he shot a tag 150’sh deer that turned out to be a spike at birth. Was a LF STX study area I believe.

I have a friend in Tilden that had a spike go well into high 60’s

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