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#6962832 - 11/16/17 12:06 PM Trump to lift ban on importing elephant trophies from Africa
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"The Trump administration on Wednesday announced that it will issue permits for elephant trophies from Zambia and Zimbabwe, reversing a 2014 ban under President Obama.

A U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service official told ABC News that the agency received new information from the countries that the move would benefit conservation in the area.

“Legal, well-regulated sport hunting as part of a sound management program can benefit the conservation of certain species by providing incentives to local communities to conserve the species and by putting much-needed revenue back into conservation,” the FWS statement said."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-...1QRL?li=BBnbcA1

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#6962838 - 11/16/17 12:15 PM Re: Trump to lift ban on importing elephant trophies from Africa [Re: Palehorse]
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Good.

Common sense. What a change.

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#6962903 - 11/16/17 01:12 PM Re: Trump to lift ban on importing elephant trophies from Africa [Re: Palehorse]
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This will help fund conservation programs tremendously. Chelsea Clinton said it will increase poaching. Brilliant girl.
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#6963023 - 11/16/17 03:17 PM Re: Trump to lift ban on importing elephant trophies from Africa [Re: Palehorse]
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#6963442 - 11/16/17 10:13 PM Re: Trump to lift ban on importing elephant trophies from Africa [Re: Palehorse]
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Did they ever lift the polar bear import ban? They need to. Although I've heard that the polar bears have adapted and are now putting a decent dent in the decades old overpopulation problem we have with snow geese.

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#6963568 - 11/17/17 06:51 AM Re: Trump to lift ban on importing elephant trophies from Africa [Re: Creekrunner]
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Originally Posted By: Creekrunner
This will help fund conservation programs tremendously. Chelsea Clinton said it will increase poaching. Brilliant girl.


You can't explain complicated situations with someone who has a shallow mind.
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#6963648 - 11/17/17 08:23 AM Re: Trump to lift ban on importing elephant trophies from Africa [Re: ErnestTBass]
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Originally Posted By: ErnestTBass
Good.

Common sense. What a change.
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#6963695 - 11/17/17 09:07 AM Re: Trump to lift ban on importing elephant trophies from Africa [Re: Texas Dan]
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Originally Posted By: Texas Dan
Originally Posted By: Creekrunner
This will help fund conservation programs tremendously. Chelsea Clinton said it will increase poaching. Brilliant girl.


You can't explain complicated situations with someone who has a shallow mind.


You know the old saying. You can't reason someone out of a position that they did not reason themselves into. The anti-hunters are a great example of that.

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#6963764 - 11/17/17 10:34 AM Re: Trump to lift ban on importing elephant trophies from Africa [Re: Palehorse]
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Great step, in general, but I am not sure we should be rushing to accept ivory from Zimbabwe with everything going on in that country. Government unrest tends to go hand in hand with a rise in poaching.

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#6963779 - 11/17/17 10:46 AM Re: Trump to lift ban on importing elephant trophies from Africa [Re: Palehorse]
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Don't the locals get all the meat?

I still want some elephant hide boots...
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#6963801 - 11/17/17 11:08 AM Re: Trump to lift ban on importing elephant trophies from Africa [Re: Palehorse]
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I honestly dont know much about hunting Africa, but wasn't poaching already a problem, I see it as 2 separate issues, but only one way, legally adds $ to the local economy, (managed hunting)?

Looks like a smart move from where I'm sitting, if they can control the poaching denominator that still effects CC, maybe this will be a bigger incentive to further control the poaching issue?
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#6963815 - 11/17/17 11:23 AM Re: Trump to lift ban on importing elephant trophies from Africa [Re: Palehorse]
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In countries that have some sort of handle on poaching, or even have the government will and infrastructure to try to control poaching, I think allowing import of sport hunting trophies is a great idea. It puts a monetary worth on the animal that is eating the locals crops, etc. If they know they can get a job working for a PH and make some money and get some meat for their family from hunting, they won't just kill that animal to solve the conflict. It also encourages land owners to bring in elephants instead of cattle, the same way it does with exotics here in Texas. For these reasons, I think we should allow ivory imports from most countries.

However, allowing imports also provides an easy route for smuggling illegal poached ivory into the U.S. If the government of Zimbabwe collapses (as it looks like it could), there will be no local enforcement of poaching laws. The poachers simply roll in in the absence of law enforcement, kill the elephants, and smuggle the ivory out as "hunting trophies". If it were across the board illegal to import ivory from Zimbabwe, this wouldn't be possible.

I am all for incentivizing the locals to value elephants for sport hunting and I think allowing the import of ivory does a great job of that. I am just concerned about allowing import from countries that aren't able to regulate the killing.

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#6964347 - 11/17/17 07:52 PM Re: Trump to lift ban on importing elephant trophies from Africa [Re: Palehorse]
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It was just announced that this will not go forward because of the public outcry. Temporary delayed.
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#6964507 - 11/17/17 10:57 PM Re: Trump to lift ban on importing elephant trophies from Africa [Re: Palehorse]
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I was afraid Trump was going to cave on this with all of the hand wringing and teeth gnashing going on over this.

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#6964729 - 11/18/17 09:22 AM Re: Trump to lift ban on importing elephant trophies from Africa [Re: Palehorse]
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Says he’s researching it from a conservation angle. Will be interesting to see where this goes or if he just buries it.

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