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 Re: Do ARs work???
[Re: TexasKC]
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11/15/17 08:20 PM
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What some people fail to see is some places just don't have great genetics to start with and will prob never have lots of big high scoring deer. Deer hunting is like real estate its all about location. There are deer on Ft Hood that are close to 200 inches a 189 6/8 already killed this year. 30 minutes away a 140 is about as good as it gets on LF. I agree. A pretty well known biologist told me that AR's were instituted solely to increase the number of mature bucks in certain areas. It had nothing to do with growing bigger racks. That’s correct. But since deer that can make it past 2 1/2 will be bigger, it does allow more deer with bigger racks (whatever that is for a given area) to survive.
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Re: Do ARs work???
[Re: BassBuster1]
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11/15/17 08:24 PM
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hook_n_line
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If the young deer in the first picture would have been taken at that time he wouldn't have been the deer in the last picture 3 years later. Bigger rack in my opinion.
Last edited by hook_n_line; 11/15/17 08:27 PM.
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Re: Do ARs work???
[Re: BassBuster1]
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11/16/17 05:12 AM
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I would love to have them in refugio county.
neighbors that kill everything that walks gets really old.
like some people... they shoot any bucks that comes their way cause you can't eat them horns!... god forbid they shoot a doe though.
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Re: Do ARs work???
[Re: Sirrah243]
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11/16/17 01:38 PM
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On the leases I hunted in Parker and Wise County (Both AR counties) there were a lot of "Wonky racks" Tall, narrow probably never going to be legal. We waited for legal bucks and harvested them and left the inferior deer to breed. I don't know what the solution is. There has to be a better way.  How do you know the bucks you kill haven't bred before you kill them?
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Re: Do ARs work???
[Re: BassBuster1]
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11/16/17 01:56 PM
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hook_n_line
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Wonky Deer?  
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Re: Do ARs work???
[Re: BassBuster1]
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11/16/17 03:17 PM
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I will get some trail cam pics posted, ours are much worse than that. I would love your wonky bucks on our place!
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Re: Do ARs work???
[Re: woodduckhunter]
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11/16/17 03:35 PM
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in our area, ARs have made the deer go from a bunch of 6 points to 14" 8 points...whipty dooo. everyone agrees that an extra year or two or even three is what their areas need in general, and TPWD thought that 13" spread rule would do that, but it really doesn't. They could look to the north where big natural native deer are the norm. and see what they do. Some states don't have a rifle season at all, and if they do its 7-14 days long. And the entire season doesn't start in September and end in February, thus allowing many more deer to survive the deer season. Take years where a harsh winter storm hits during a season and a whole lot more survive. When you can hunt deer with a rifle for months, you really can't expect the majority of them to survive. We have too many deer to not hunt them that long. Up north the winter will take care of an overpopulated herd......Texas doesnt have that luxury.
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Re: Do ARs work???
[Re: BassBuster1]
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11/16/17 03:39 PM
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I love them and they are working in my county
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Re: Do ARs work???
[Re: QuitShootinYoungBucks]
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11/16/17 03:54 PM
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that's good that it works out like that in your area, but that is not going to be the case hardly anywhere east of 45, or anywhere else where the tracts of land are less than a thousand. I don't even deer hunt, just my observations. They don't accidentally harvest as many quality wild deer as they do up north by accident. We all know the deer need an extra year or two, and making the rifle season longer will not help. All seasons need to be shortened and they will then accomplish what they are trying to accomplish with ARs. Oh, and the states up north that I'm referring to don't have ARs. shorter seasons and NO ARs They can get away with shorter seasons because their winters are much harsher and do a lot of herd control for them. If you cut the deer harvest in Texas in half, in a few years we'd be overrun. Plus, who wants to get to hunt less? Also, most of those northern deer are huge because they're standing in a corn or soybean field most of their lives. Look at what protein does for Texas deer, now imagine them having access to those food sources from birth. If you've ever studied wildlife management, another thing they talk about is the size of animals as you move away from the equator. Canadian/northern whitetails are much larger in order to better handle the conditions. A 90lb Texas WT doe would freeze to death pretty quickly in a Dakota winter. Exactly! I hunt in the hill country and I've hit deer two years in a row and a buddy just hit one and it did $4k in damage to his truck! We need to be able to remove the deer just to keep the overall numbers in check.
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Re: Do ARs work???
[Re: BassBuster1]
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11/16/17 09:56 PM
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I hunt in Austin Co. My father-in-law told me when I started hunting there 8 years ago "don't think you're gonna kill any decent bucks out here, you'll do good to see one at all". Well, he hadn't bothered to hunt since he first bought the place back in 92, because there was only 1 buck that roamed around that had any size to him. And everyone knew he was off limits, because a well known district attorney had rescued that buck when he was a fawn and had been hit by a car, and nursed it back to health. So no one wanted to kill it. My first hunt, I saw 3 decent bucks. He couldn't believe it. I killed the first buck off of his property on my second hunt. In hindsight, I wish I hadn't shot that particular deer, but I was stunned that a buck like him had walked out, after hearing how there weren't any out there. Since then, I have watched a ton of bucks feeding on acorns in the pastures, and some pushing 150" on camera. They stick to the yaupon and tallow tree thickets, and appear right after last light, and are headed to the thick junk before first light. I've held off on a slew of young, decent bucks...still waiting on a stud to make a mistake. But my son is after his first deer, so I'm not holding him back from any of the 110-120's for his first kill. Austin Co. has benefited tremendously from AR's. It works, in my humble opinion 
I will get off in a little bit You shouldnt have said that
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