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#6956742 - 11/12/17 08:29 AM Anyone have a big pup that just doesn't want to stay with you??
pharmvet Offline
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Took my 10 mo old pup out this weekend. Put him on the ground several times and he just doesn't have any interest in staying with me. Had a Garmin on him and he would routinely be 500-700 yds from me. Just doing his own thing. Might come through once during a hunting round. Would drink some water, then just head out on another solo adventure. Very discouraging. Any hope for him? Have you ever had one act like this? Did they ever start hunting with you? Suggestions welcome.

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#6956782 - 11/12/17 09:08 AM Re: Anyone have a big pup that just doesn't want to stay with you?? [Re: pharmvet]
bill oxner Offline
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The one I now have would simply bolt a few times. Other times she was right where I wanted her to be.
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#6956783 - 11/12/17 09:09 AM Re: Anyone have a big pup that just doesn't want to stay with you?? [Re: pharmvet]
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I have one. 3 months at trainer, 1 month in Montana. Lost dog twice when first put on the ground in Montana. She finally came around in Montana, according to trainer. Will hunt her next weekend and see for myself

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#6956793 - 11/12/17 09:24 AM Re: Anyone have a big pup that just doesn't want to stay with you?? [Re: pharmvet]
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The rancher is still seeing one I lost last February like that. I never thought a dog could live this long on its own. He never did care for people, and was scared of everyone.The rancher has tried to trap him several times but he won't fall for it. He said the check cord was shorter every time he saw him and is now down to nothing. I don't know why he hasn't shot him, the collar is bound to be cutting into his neck.

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#6956808 - 11/12/17 09:41 AM Re: Anyone have a big pup that just doesn't want to stay with you?? [Re: pharmvet]
colt45 Offline
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wouldn't do that but one time with me.
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#6956816 - 11/12/17 09:53 AM Re: Anyone have a big pup that just doesn't want to stay with you?? [Re: colt45]
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I'd be mounted horseback if I had him. You could see him and correct him when he did not turn to your voice or whistle. You can take range out of them but you can't put it in them. My kind of dog. He may be a wild and rambunctious pup and start hunting for you. Just go your way since you have a Garmin. When he is not going with you turn him with the collar. I won National dog of the year with one just like that and he went on to win a Horseback Shooting Dog Championship and a couple of Runner-Ups. He was not meant to foot hunt though. Horse or 4 wheeler but he would turn and go to the front with my voice or whistle.
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#6956827 - 11/12/17 09:59 AM Re: Anyone have a big pup that just doesn't want to stay with you?? [Re: pharmvet]
bill oxner Offline
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Direction is more important than distance up to a point.
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#6956917 - 11/12/17 11:50 AM Re: Anyone have a big pup that just doesn't want to stay with you?? [Re: pharmvet]
68rustbucket Offline
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I had mine turning to go with me using the collar late last season. But I would never put her on the ground without the GPS collar, also it was her first season to hunt. I should be able to have more control this season, The shinnery will slow her down

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#6956977 - 11/12/17 12:43 PM Re: Anyone have a big pup that just doesn't want to stay with you?? [Re: pharmvet]
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Registered: 11/21/10
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Time and birds will help sometime with collar corrects. Seen one like to hang out at 700 and 800 yds when she was young. Made hell of a bird in the end. She became the type of dog that if she went thru a place and found no birds. It probably wasn't worth going back. She never wasted time on dead birds, didn't care to back either, but on birds she was money. Lived life to find live ones was her motto.

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#6956983 - 11/12/17 12:48 PM Re: Anyone have a big pup that just doesn't want to stay with you?? [Re: pharmvet]
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Sent you a PM

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#6957107 - 11/12/17 02:37 PM Re: Anyone have a big pup that just doesn't want to stay with you?? [Re: pharmvet]
arandy Offline
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pharmvet have you done any whistle training with an e collar on the pup? I have one that would not pay me any respect until I put a second collar around his middle and now he pays more attention to the whistle. He wants to love on me now when he hears the beep.First time I shocked his belly the light came on. I've been letting the dog run loose a lot with a gps collar on him and he rolls on out but where he used to go miles it's now usually less than 500 yards and then he comes to see about me so I think me and him are going to be alright. I would not be too disappointed over any of it at 10 months though. A wide running pup equals potential.

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#6957162 - 11/12/17 03:35 PM Re: Anyone have a big pup that just doesn't want to stay with you?? [Re: pharmvet]
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Bond with the pup. Don't leave him outside in the kennel at night. As long as he is pointing and holding birds let him roll. That's why you have a GPS on him

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#6957194 - 11/12/17 04:10 PM Re: Anyone have a big pup that just doesn't want to stay with you?? [Re: pharmvet]
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Registered: 01/16/09
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Loc: Cedar Park, Tx
This is an easy fix.

Take your pup out to grounds you are familiar with.

When he is out running, hide from the dog. He’ll look for you and when he finds you shower himwith praise. Repeat a few times and he will learn to keep you in sight or at least check in to make sure you are in the area.

Last thing I would do is light the dog up with a shock collar. Not at least until after you have taught him not to run off.

Good luck

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#6957403 - 11/12/17 06:50 PM Re: Anyone have a big pup that just doesn't want to stay with you?? [Re: pharmvet]
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I love the comments and advice
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#6957683 - 11/12/17 09:17 PM Re: Anyone have a big pup that just doesn't want to stay with you?? [Re: pharmvet]
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I am real big on a lot of puppy walks, changing direction in an open field, working in hand signals, etc. (e.g. using the old Wolters Gun Dog book method), trying to do at least 5 walks a week. Then switch to a check cord when they get about 14 weeks or so. Have never had a dog that didn't handle when I got them at 7 or 8 weeks old, gotten two started dogs including a year old that self-hunted pretty bad in the pre-GPS day. I got lots of extra walking in chasing Ruby.

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