Facts and Physics are often rather upsetting,for them who "do" and "know" the least.

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Let's not forget about throwing stuff off of cliffs.

.30 cal 178 gr ELD-X, 24" barrel, 2700 fps MV

6.5mm 143 gr ELD-X, 24" barrel, 2800 fps MV.

.308 delivers more energy to 500 yards. Yes, I have loaded both.

You are at the mercy,of your being forced to use you,as a "barometer" of "evaluation".

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Few can begin to fathom the magnitude.

1000 Words RINK

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I believe this debate was on short barrels, of course if you want to change it to make yourself correct go right ahead , because we know you're not wrong.

I enjoy her trying sooooooooo hard.

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I have a Creedmoor shooting an 18 inch barrel and a 308 shooting a 20 inch barrel their bullets are 8 grains apart and the Creedmoor is winning.

All of this was in resonse to this statement:


"But there is no way to make a 308Win hang in the same Universe,as a Kreedmire.

None..........."

And, no refuting data has been provided. Nothing more than opinion, and banter.

Sweetheart...you are in wayyyyyyyyyyy over your head.

Pardon that Facts and Physics do not support your Delusion(s). Hint.

A 24" Kreedmire can/will/do squirt a 147ELD at 2750fps. As extrapolated to your "vaunted" 308 Energy Load with a 178 ELD at the 500yd line and both zero'd at like distance and like atmosphere...the follwing FACTS transpire,due to Physics.

The 147 drops 7-inches less.
The 147 drifts 8-inches less(I'll save percentages for later,so as to not scare you away)
The 147 impacts 286ps faster
The 147 makes 138 ft lbs more "energy"

PLEASE try again...it's FUNNY!

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Cute you are talking about drop in inches, instead of Mil or MOA.

Must not really know what you want to look like you know.

Grasping......

Inches are a unit of measure,which can be applied to multiple mechanisms,that'll corroborate POA/POI intersection. I musta missed it,where a particular sighting device was cited by you,to harbor your Delusional Energy Loads. Do tell...it'll be funny.

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308 shooting 130 grain TSX going 2920 ft per second at 400 yards produces 1098 foot pounds of energy. the 6.5 Creedmoor shooting 130 grain Berger hunting bullet at 2780 feet per second at 400 yards produces 1344 foot-pounds of energy. those are my two rifles. I know it's hard for you to believe you do not know everything but that's the truth. you are extremely knowledgeable in a lot of things just not everything.

I don't have a dog in the fight, but I relate better to inches.
I was able to understand all of the data at a glance.

In fairness...the 130JLK is an absolute BEAST in a Kreedmire and absolutely destroys a Three-Oh-Not-So-Great.

In inches,feet per second and "energy".................(grin)

Don't go spookin' the hole...she's on a roll and gonna "tell" me "more"..............(grin)

REALLY ,is that where you're going to go

Facts and Physics,reliably tend to get 'em stuttering.

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Never said I know everything. And your numbers are your numbers. I have no desire to plug them in, and verify, I have the ability to take your word for it.

However, for my uses, I would NEVER load that bullet in a .308, it's just not my cup of tea. But if it works for you, and you are happy with it, then that is all that matters.

You are comparing a pretty good BC 6.5mm at a decent velocity, to a poor BC .308 at a high velocity (especially for a .308) It's not an apples to apples comparison, in your two examples.

And go back to my very first recommendation on this thread, the 6.5 Creedmoor. It is a fine cartridge, that I've shot for several years. But stating mis-information about the other option, helps no one.

You are the ONLY one who is fabricating yarns,to "support" Delusion(s).

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