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#6947510 - 11/05/17 07:25 PM Why you miss ducks -- here is a pic
nate33 Offline
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Registered: 11/16/16
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The guy on the left(me) gets his limit in 10 shells or less ( .20 ga). The guy on the right shoots 2 boxes to get his limit . It has nothing to do with what kind of shells you shoot or what kind of gun. The picture explains the whole problem the guy on the right has. Point is ---- if it takes more than 10 shells to kill 6 ducks you need to slow down, pick a bird, track him and fire. Shoot once,, if you miss go back and look at this pic to see what you are doing wrong. He could have fired 5 times and would never have hit anything.

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#6947756 - 11/05/17 11:22 PM Re: Why you miss ducks -- here is a pic [Re: nate33]
Exbellicus Offline
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Does the guy on the right have it shouldered too low therefore isn't looking straight with the slights but downward from back to front?

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#6947781 - 11/06/17 03:00 AM Re: Why you miss ducks -- here is a pic [Re: nate33]
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To me the pic doesn't really say anything other than he might want to get his weight forward a bit. ..my first thought is that the guy on the right hasn't completed mounting his gun or possibly he has already fired (finger position on trigger) and recoil has the gun jumping. Either way, more info needed.

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#6947887 - 11/06/17 07:22 AM Re: Why you miss ducks -- here is a pic [Re: nate33]
jnd59 Offline
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Registered: 09/11/10
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If this is pre shot I would guess weight forward and stock to cheek before stock to shoulder. But P_102 is right. Still need some information. That looks like me when I get sloppy or in a hurry.

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#6947888 - 11/06/17 07:23 AM Re: Why you miss ducks -- here is a pic [Re: nate33]
woodduckhunter Offline
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Registered: 04/25/11
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he is mounted improperly for starters but looking up the barrel, or the barrel seeming to point upward is not a problem at all. A lot of really good shooters have stock work done to purposely make guns point "upward" to make to POI higher and have the gun shooting 70/30 or 80/20 instead of a 50/50 that an off the shelf gun like a 1100 or a citori will normally throw. and your "track him and fire" is way off. when the average shooter starts "tracking" they start playing mind games with the lead or more commonly completely stop swinging their gun when they shoot.

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#6948249 - 11/06/17 10:31 AM Re: Why you miss ducks -- here is a pic [Re: nate33]
nate33 Offline
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3rd hunter waded out into the decoys to get a dead duck,,,, as birds flew in he took this pic.

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#6948267 - 11/06/17 10:40 AM Re: Why you miss ducks -- here is a pic [Re: nate33]
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Originally Posted By: nate33
3rd hunter waded out into the decoys to get a dead duck,,,, as birds flew in he took this pic.


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Let me get out here and get a low quality pic of these two hefty fellas. Maybe DU will put it on the cover of next month's magazine!


Edited by ducknbass (11/06/17 10:41 AM)

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#6948305 - 11/06/17 11:05 AM Re: Why you miss ducks -- here is a pic [Re: nate33]
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Nate33 ...I've been trying to tell a lot of these guys on here that your choke and shells are over rated you pick 1 bird out track the bird and shoot not very many birds are flying threw patterns..lol
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#6948312 - 11/06/17 11:07 AM Re: Why you miss ducks -- here is a pic [Re: nate33]
bentman Online   content
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A lot of guys are hung up on chokes shells. They need to learn how to shoot practice practice practice is by far without a doubt the best way to put birds on the ground
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#6948497 - 11/06/17 01:06 PM Re: Why you miss ducks -- here is a pic [Re: nate33]
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It's a system...shotgun, chokes, shells, patterns and practice...if anything one thing is missing the system won't work. I hate to be the guy to break it to you but you and "a lot of guys" are both correct. wink
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#6948526 - 11/06/17 01:27 PM Re: Why you miss ducks -- here is a pic [Re: nate33]
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What I mean by chokes are over rated is they are all good I own just about every popular choke on the market I have done the patterning thing I have not seen big gaping holes in my patterns
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#6948533 - 11/06/17 01:34 PM Re: Why you miss ducks -- here is a pic [Re: nate33]
woodduckhunter Offline
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Registered: 04/25/11
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Bent, it is not hard to find a decent patterning combo of choke/shell at 35 yds or so and less. just about any shell and choke will put enough pellets on a paper plate at that distance to break a duck down. But, some will definitely put more pellets on target than others. When you start getting into the tighter constrictions, larger pellets, and low pellet counts, there is a perfect area where the choke, barrel, shot size, shot weight, and shot speed all have to come together to throw a good pattern at farther distances. Youd would be surprised how many imod and full chokes "blow out" and the pattern looks like an IC or mod. sometimes that is caused by pressures and too much speed. So you must slow it down some, but still retain enough knockdown to do the job.

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#6948551 - 11/06/17 01:43 PM Re: Why you miss ducks -- here is a pic [Re: nate33]
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I quit patterning guns about 5 yrs ago when I started shooting sporting clays. Go shoot 2000 to 3000 rds on a sporting clays course over the next yr then go bird hunting you will will be amazed how much of a better shot you are. I don't miss because birds are flying threw my pattern
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#6948572 - 11/06/17 01:55 PM Re: Why you miss ducks -- here is a pic [Re: nate33]
woodduckhunter Offline
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Registered: 04/25/11
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they probably don't fly THROUGH it, but with a good shooting gun, choke, shell combo, you might hit it with 11 pellets instead of 2.

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#6948747 - 11/06/17 03:48 PM Re: Why you miss ducks -- here is a pic [Re: nate33]
ZachW Offline
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Registered: 10/11/13
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Loc: Texas, TX
That guy on the right looks exactly like me when I get surprised, shoot, and then think "I was nowhere near that bird"

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