Last night I took my daughter hunting and she wanted to kill a deer so who am I to say no. We hunt on the ranch I manage which is MLD . After having several doe and a four and eight point which was chasing one doe hard this five point walks out at 236 yards after what seemed like an hour made it to 172 yards which was closer than any of the others I wanted him closer . She begged me to let her shoot so I dialed the scope gave her the rifle and she put one right in the shoulder. I was more nervous than she was.