Forums46
Topics538,030
Posts9,732,146
Members87,055
|
Most Online25,604 Feb 12th, 2024
|
|
|
High fence regulation
#6937373
10/29/17 02:28 AM
|
Joined: Sep 2016
Posts: 672
Midwaytmm
OP
Tracker
|
OP
Tracker
Joined: Sep 2016
Posts: 672 |
I’m asking this because I honestly don’t know answer, it doesn’t matter to me, and not intended to start arguments. It seems like I remember reading, somewhere, that before high fence can be put in place, all native game must be driven off property. 1 is that accurate ? 2 is it enforced ?
Already tried google.....
|
|
|
Re: High fence regulation
[Re: Midwaytmm]
#6937398
10/29/17 02:50 AM
|
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 15,645
QuitShootinYoungBucks
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 15,645 |
https://web.archive.org/web/20170223065011/http:/www.rrdvegas.com/silencer-cleaning.html
|
|
|
Re: High fence regulation
[Re: Midwaytmm]
#6937405
10/29/17 02:55 AM
|
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 29,608
Sneaky
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 29,608 |
You’ve read that because some people do it and others would like it done, but it isn’t required in Texas. Some states may require it.
|
|
|
Re: High fence regulation
[Re: Midwaytmm]
#6937418
10/29/17 03:06 AM
|
Joined: Sep 2016
Posts: 672
Midwaytmm
OP
Tracker
|
OP
Tracker
Joined: Sep 2016
Posts: 672 |
Ok thanks. Probably why I couldn’t find anything about it
|
|
|
Re: High fence regulation
[Re: Midwaytmm]
#6937488
10/29/17 06:52 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 1,773
Big_Ag
Pro Tracker
|
Pro Tracker
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 1,773 |
|
|
|
Re: High fence regulation
[Re: Big_Ag]
#6940572
10/31/17 01:52 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 7,179
therancher
THF Trophy Hunter
|
THF Trophy Hunter
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 7,179 |
I believe Michigan and a few other states do that. We discuss it from time to time because it's a logical modification that our state needs to adopt.
Run as many deer off as possible, and then close the fence. Fly it with a chopper to get a relatively close count and then pay the state for the native deer left inside.
That way the landowner owns the deer and the state doesn't spend resources controlling that property.
Crotchety old bastidge
|
|
|
Re: High fence regulation
[Re: therancher]
#6941192
10/31/17 08:20 PM
|
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 2,265
maximus_flavius
Veteran Tracker
|
Veteran Tracker
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 2,265 |
I believe Michigan and a few other states do that. We discuss it from time to time because it's a logical modification that our state needs to adopt.
Run as many deer off as possible, and then close the fence. Fly it with a chopper to get a relatively close count and then pay the state for the native deer left inside.
That way the landowner owns the deer and the state doesn't spend resources controlling that property. In the FantasyLand where this occurs, do the landowners now "own" the WT like any other exotic or livestock? They can hunt them 24/7/365? That would surely rustle some jimmies.
|
|
|
Re: High fence regulation
[Re: maximus_flavius]
#6942039
11/01/17 03:01 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 7,179
therancher
THF Trophy Hunter
|
THF Trophy Hunter
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 7,179 |
I believe Michigan and a few other states do that. We discuss it from time to time because it's a logical modification that our state needs to adopt.
Run as many deer off as possible, and then close the fence. Fly it with a chopper to get a relatively close count and then pay the state for the native deer left inside.
That way the landowner owns the deer and the state doesn't spend resources controlling that property. In the FantasyLand where this occurs, do the landowners now "own" the WT like any other exotic or livestock? They can hunt them 24/7/365? That would surely rustle some jimmies. Yes they do. At that point there are no seasons/bag limits. Makes perfect sense. Of course, at TPWD perfect sense is the rarest of species... Oh, and it's no fantasy land. That's how it works in Michigan.
Last edited by therancher; 11/01/17 03:03 PM.
Crotchety old bastidge
|
|
|
Re: High fence regulation
[Re: Midwaytmm]
#6942050
11/01/17 03:11 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 4,877
Teal28
Extreme Tracker
|
Extreme Tracker
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 4,877 |
Ideally when high fencing a ranch you want to get rid of any lesser genetics as to not mix with the new genetics brought into the property once the fence is up. This can be done by pushing out deer with vehicles or choppers, people etc.. I believe most just try to kill off what is left inside the fence once its up. X2 its not required in Texas. I can see the positives for being required to remove the deer before the fence but negatives as well.
|
|
|
Re: High fence regulation
[Re: Teal28]
#6942066
11/01/17 03:21 PM
|
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 60,483
BOBO the Clown
kind of a big deal
|
kind of a big deal
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 60,483 |
Ideally when high fencing a ranch you want to get rid of any lesser genetics as to not mix with the new genetics brought into the property once the fence is up. This can be done by pushing out deer with vehicles or choppers, people etc.. I believe most just try to kill off what is left inside the fence once its up. X2 its not required in Texas. I can see the positives for being required to remove the deer before the fence but negatives as well. That is only if you want to introduce genetics correctly. Majority are not introducing. I know several hill country ranchs that fenced and with correct Ratio’s, age structure and most importantly correct # to CC are taking native deer to 200lbs and 170-200”+.
|
|
|
Re: High fence regulation
[Re: BOBO the Clown]
#6942246
11/01/17 05:32 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 4,877
Teal28
Extreme Tracker
|
Extreme Tracker
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 4,877 |
Ideally when high fencing a ranch you want to get rid of any lesser genetics as to not mix with the new genetics brought into the property once the fence is up. This can be done by pushing out deer with vehicles or choppers, people etc.. I believe most just try to kill off what is left inside the fence once its up. X2 its not required in Texas. I can see the positives for being required to remove the deer before the fence but negatives as well. That is only if you want to introduce genetics correctly. Majority are not introducing. I know several hill country ranchs that fenced and with correct Ratio’s, age structure and most importantly correct # to CC are taking native deer to 200lbs and 170-200”+. I agree lots of outfits don't do it and have great results. My point was just generic.
|
|
|
Re: High fence regulation
[Re: therancher]
#6942275
11/01/17 05:54 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 920
DUKFVR
Tracker
|
Tracker
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 920 |
I believe Michigan and a few other states do that. We discuss it from time to time because it's a logical modification that our state needs to adopt.
Run as many deer off as possible, and then close the fence. Fly it with a chopper to get a relatively close count and then pay the state for the native deer left inside.
That way the landowner owns the deer and the state doesn't spend resources controlling that property. I would love to see that in TX.
|
|
|
Re: High fence regulation
[Re: DUKFVR]
#6942299
11/01/17 06:06 PM
|
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 39,549
redchevy
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 39,549 |
I would love to see that in TX. why?
It's hell eatin em live
|
|
|
Re: High fence regulation
[Re: redchevy]
#6942316
11/01/17 06:17 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 920
DUKFVR
Tracker
|
Tracker
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 920 |
I would love to see that in TX. why? I feel when you high fence your place in ,you should have to pay for the deer you trap in there, because you have now taken deer away from the other hunters. Whether you want them or not, they are now either gonna be in there or will be killed to bring in other genetics. I have no issues with high fencing, I am a landowner, just feel you should have to pay for what you have taken from the state, other hunters.
|
|
|
Re: High fence regulation
[Re: redchevy]
#6942318
11/01/17 06:17 PM
|
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 3,161
SouthWestIron
Veteran Tracker
|
Veteran Tracker
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 3,161 |
I would love to see that in TX. why? One thought could be this. Its his land and he doesn't want the "peoples" deer interfering with what he can and can't do.
|
|
|
Re: High fence regulation
[Re: redchevy]
#6942320
11/01/17 06:17 PM
|
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 2,954
huntwest
Veteran Tracker
|
Veteran Tracker
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 2,954 |
I would love to see that in TX. why? There is an obvious answer to this if you have read half of any HF thread here.
|
|
|
Re: High fence regulation
[Re: Midwaytmm]
#6942321
11/01/17 06:19 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 19,652
Pitchfork Predator
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 19,652 |
I'd like it that way if I was investing all the money and time into the wildlife.
That is why currently IMO as a landowner it's a much riskier investment because you don't own or control WT deer like you do exotics.
|
|
|
Re: High fence regulation
[Re: Midwaytmm]
#6942358
11/01/17 06:44 PM
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 3,900
JJH
Extreme Tracker
|
Extreme Tracker
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 3,900 |
Out of pure curiosity , what would the appropriate value be for one of the people’s deer?
|
|
|
Re: High fence regulation
[Re: DUKFVR]
#6942361
11/01/17 06:46 PM
|
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 39,549
redchevy
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 39,549 |
I would love to see that in TX. why? I feel when you high fence your place in ,you should have to pay for the deer you trap in there, because you have now taken deer away from the other hunters. Whether you want them or not, they are now either gonna be in there or will be killed to bring in other genetics. I have no issues with high fencing, I am a landowner, just feel you should have to pay for what you have taken from the state, other hunters. Do you pay the state for its deer when you shoot one on a low fence property (other than a hunting license)? If I have to pay them for their deer inside my fence then I want them to pay me for their deer eating the vegetation on my property and drinking my surface water.
It's hell eatin em live
|
|
|
Re: High fence regulation
[Re: Midwaytmm]
#6942364
11/01/17 06:47 PM
|
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 1,687
SherpaPhil
Pro Tracker
|
Pro Tracker
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 1,687 |
Some of the most common large civil restitution charges involve deer illegally taken. The civil restitution fee for a buck whitetail starts with a "base" value of $881.50 with the final cost determined by the size of the buck's antlers, based on the Boone and Crockett Club scoring system. A person who illegally takes an especially large antlered buck can see a civil restitution charge of more than $10,000. http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/outdo...ght-6858432.php
Last edited by SherpaPhil; 11/01/17 06:49 PM. Reason: Updated info
|
|
|
Re: High fence regulation
[Re: SherpaPhil]
#6942366
11/01/17 06:48 PM
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 3,900
JJH
Extreme Tracker
|
Extreme Tracker
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 3,900 |
|
|
|
Re: High fence regulation
[Re: SherpaPhil]
#6942370
11/01/17 06:50 PM
|
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 60,483
BOBO the Clown
kind of a big deal
|
kind of a big deal
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 60,483 |
That has a criminal aspect built in as a deterrent.
|
|
|
Re: High fence regulation
[Re: redchevy]
#6942372
11/01/17 06:52 PM
|
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 1,687
SherpaPhil
Pro Tracker
|
Pro Tracker
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 1,687 |
I would love to see that in TX. why? I feel when you high fence your place in ,you should have to pay for the deer you trap in there, because you have now taken deer away from the other hunters. Whether you want them or not, they are now either gonna be in there or will be killed to bring in other genetics. I have no issues with high fencing, I am a landowner, just feel you should have to pay for what you have taken from the state, other hunters. Do you pay the state for its deer when you shoot one on a low fence property (other than a hunting license)? If I have to pay them for their deer inside my fence then I want them to pay me for their deer eating the vegetation on my property and drinking my surface water. You get tags when you buy your license that limit what each person is allowed to take. I think you should get that number free, but anything above, you're paying.
|
|
|
Re: High fence regulation
[Re: BOBO the Clown]
#6942380
11/01/17 06:54 PM
|
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 1,687
SherpaPhil
Pro Tracker
|
Pro Tracker
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 1,687 |
That has a criminal aspect built in as a deterrent. I don't disagree that it does, but it is not supposed to. Those numbers are in addition to criminal fines and are meant to represent the cost to the state of "raising" that animal. That is why it is considered a civil fine. No clue how they came up with it, or how close it is to the real cost.
|
|
|
Re: High fence regulation
[Re: DUKFVR]
#6942382
11/01/17 06:55 PM
|
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 60,483
BOBO the Clown
kind of a big deal
|
kind of a big deal
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 60,483 |
I would love to see that in TX. why? I feel when you high fence your place in ,you should have to pay for the deer you trap in there, because you have now taken deer away from the other hunters. Whether you want them or not, they are now either gonna be in there or will be killed to bring in other genetics. I have no issues with high fencing, I am a landowner, just feel you should have to pay for what you have taken from the state, other hunters. What about ranches like the king, pitchfork, etc that have 1000’s of deer that are trapped via just pure land owner ship size? I’m all for purchase if behind fence, I’m just curious as to where the line gets drawn.
|
|
|
Moderated by bigbob_ftw, CCBIRDDOGMAN, Chickenman, Derek, DeRico, Duck_Hunter, hetman, jeh7mmmag, JustWingem, kmon11, kry226, kwrhuntinglab, Payne, pertnear, rifleman, sig226fan (Rguns.com), Superduty, TreeBass, txcornhusker
|