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#6928641 - 10/22/17 08:33 AM What do you think
crooked horn Offline
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Registered: 01/20/14
Posts: 114
Loc: Brown County
For the last 20 years, or more, we (hunters) are constantly being told about the diminishing number of outdoorsman. State agencies, hunting organizations, etc always telling us there are fewer and fewer hunters hitting the woods each year. Wellllll, in my neck of the woods nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, the difference from when I started hunting in the mid 70s to now is ridiculous. Every "ranchette" that was once a part of a larger property has people hunting on it. There are easily TEN times as many people hunting within 5 miles of me now, than there were in the old days. I know we are told this because everyone that depends on hunters for income want more and more, and I guess there is nothing wrong with that. Just interested in what other people are seeing in terms of hunter population? More, fewer, same, don't know.....?
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#6928644 - 10/22/17 08:37 AM Re: What do you think [Re: crooked horn]
Nogalus Prairie Offline
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It's fewer. License sales across the nation and state prove it.
We are becoming a more urbanized society with every passing year.
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#6928682 - 10/22/17 09:00 AM Re: What do you think [Re: Nogalus Prairie]
crooked horn Offline
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Loc: Brown County
Originally Posted By: Nogalus Prairie
It's fewer. License sales across the nation and state prove it.
We are becoming a more urbanized society with every passing year.
That is EXACTLY the type of information I'm referring to, when the physical evidence doesn't support it. What parts of the state have fewer hunters? Since there are obviously more in central Texas, there must be places that have practically none.
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#6928762 - 10/22/17 10:15 AM Re: What do you think [Re: crooked horn]
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This is an interesting point. Anecdotally, it seems like deer hunting is as or more popular than ever. But you always hear outdoorsmen are on the decline.

Could it be that, although deer hunting is booming in certain circles, many outdoorsmen who used to fish, hunt small game, etc as part of a rural lifestyle now just arenít out there in the same numbers?

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#6928771 - 10/22/17 10:21 AM Re: What do you think [Re: crooked horn]
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#6928772 - 10/22/17 10:24 AM Re: What do you think [Re: crooked horn]
Simple Searcher Offline
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Interesting, we seemed to have plateaued somewhat in 1985. Considering population growth (on a per-capita basis) we are way down.

Compiled from
US Fish And Wildlife Service
National Hunting License Report

Year Texas
2015-- 1,060,455
2014-- 1,020,105
2013-- 1,036,946
2012-- 1,020,227
2011-- 1,024,520
2010-- 1,020,799
2009-- 1,012,446
2008-- 1,005,226
2007-- 1.039,709
2006-- 1,073,847
2005-- 1,039,327

2000-- 1,028,297

1995-- 1,064,803

1990-- 1,138,011

1985-- 1,100,550

1980-- 937,267

1975-- 853,250

1970-- 760,351

1965-- 576,695

1960-- 474,451

1958-- 408,682
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#6928779 - 10/22/17 10:29 AM Re: What do you think [Re: ErnestTBass]
crooked horn Offline
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Registered: 01/20/14
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Loc: Brown County
Originally Posted By: ErnestTBass
This is an interesting point. Anecdotally, it seems like deer hunting is as or more popular than ever. But you always hear outdoorsmen are on the decline.

Could it be that, although deer hunting is booming in certain circles, many outdoorsmen who used to fish, hunt small game, etc as part of a rural lifestyle now just arenít out there in the same numbers?
. Excellent point. Never really considered that, since basically all I do is deer hunt. What prompted my thread, is there was only one property in what I consider my neighborhood that hasn't had anyone hunting it, to my knowledge, in many years, and this weekend there were 2 guys at the barn with the whitetail starter kit: truck/trailer/blind/feeder/4wheeler. Kind of caught me off guard. Never see anyone in there during the fall.
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#6928820 - 10/22/17 11:32 AM Re: What do you think [Re: crooked horn]
kk66 Offline
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Registered: 04/10/07
Posts: 202
Loc: San Antonio, Texas
With all the suburbs, ranchettes and development there's less huntable land now so more people are squeezed into it.


Edited by kk66 (10/22/17 11:32 AM)

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#6928872 - 10/22/17 12:46 PM Re: What do you think [Re: Simple Searcher]
crooked horn Offline
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Registered: 01/20/14
Posts: 114
Loc: Brown County
Originally Posted By: Simple Searcher
Interesting, we seemed to have plateaued somewhat in 1985. Considering population growth (on a per-capita basis) we are way down.

Compiled from
US Fish And Wildlife Service
National Hunting License Report

Year Texas
2015-- 1,060,455
2014-- 1,020,105
2013-- 1,036,946
2012-- 1,020,227
2011-- 1,024,520
2010-- 1,020,799
2009-- 1,012,446
2008-- 1,005,226
2007-- 1.039,709
2006-- 1,073,847
2005-- 1,039,327

2000-- 1,028,297

1995-- 1,064,803

1990-- 1,138,011

1985-- 1,100,550

1980-- 937,267

1975-- 853,250

1970-- 760,351

1965-- 576,695

1960-- 474,451

1958-- 408,682
these numbers back up my point completely. Never was a question of what percentage of people hunt, but how many people hunt. Roughly a 24 percent increase from 75 to 2015. That's a lot.
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#6928893 - 10/22/17 01:21 PM Re: What do you think [Re: crooked horn]
ErnestTBass Offline
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Registered: 08/12/16
Posts: 278
Itís flat from 1985 to now. With 30 years of population growth, thatís not great. Not catastrophic, but not great.

My guess is that hunting and fishing are very slowly becoming more middle-class to upper-middle-class to upper-class pursuits as land is tougher to come by and the toys get more expensive.

Cheap and easy activities like hunting squirrels or rabbits, local creek and pond fishing, etc may be on the decline while whitetail hunting, saltwater fishing etc probably are not.

Total guess.


Edited by ErnestTBass (10/22/17 01:23 PM)

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#6928912 - 10/22/17 01:34 PM Re: What do you think [Re: crooked horn]
fishfree Offline
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Registered: 10/08/11
Posts: 377
Loc: west texas

year TX hunters TX pop hunters/1000 year-over-year change
2015 1060455 27469114 38.6053587313 0.7633663225
2014 1020105 26956958 37.8419924088 -1.3646936586
2013 1036946 26448193 39.2066860674 0.0563329272
2012 1020227 26059203 39.1503531401 -0.7535506319
2011 1024520 25674681 39.903903772 -0.518230758
2010 1020799 25253466 40.42213453 -0.4314552616
2009 1012446 24782302 40.8535897916 -0.467866794
2008 1005226 24326974 41.3214565856 -2.1730410755
2007 1039709 23904380 43.4944976611 -2.1859903713
2006 1073847 23507783 45.6804880324 0.3514592094
2005 1039327 22928508 45.329028823 -3.7559627825
2000 1028297 20949316 49.0849916055 -7.9182074813
1995 1064803 18679706 57.0031990868 -9.7630135936
1990 1138011 17044714 66.7662126804 -0.865323606
1985 1100550 16272734 67.6315362864 1.7622257964
1980 937267 14229191 65.86931049 -2.0168107704
1975 853250 12568843 67.8861212603 -0.0221876834
1970 760351 11196730 67.9083089438 12.3393168451
1965 576695 10378000 55.5689920987 6.2702597628
1960 474451 9624000 49.2987323358 5.1264452628
1958 408682 9252000 44.1722870731

more hunters every year but a smaller fraction of the population each year
ergo... buncha non-huntin' yankees & californies movin' in

IMHO... since hunting resources are fixed, more hunters each year is what counts re resource management- not fraction of population. Fraction of population that hunts (and votes) has the bigger political significance however.

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#6929093 - 10/22/17 04:59 PM Re: What do you think [Re: crooked horn]
Txduckman Offline
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Registered: 08/30/04
Posts: 12154
Loc: Big D
There is no room for it to grow. Most places are leased out. Can't make more land to hunt on. Lots of places bought and kick hunters off now so they can hunt it themselves.

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#6929131 - 10/22/17 05:45 PM Re: What do you think [Re: crooked horn]
Nogalus Prairie Offline
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Loc: Corsicana
I guess if you don't want to acknowledge the facts based on the numbers there's not much point in discussing any further. Anecdotal localized occurrences don't tell one anything about what is really happening.

Sadly, if it weren't for all the TV "silly season" hype and "tacticool" craze getting the young folks all stoked up we would probably be even worse off.
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#6929160 - 10/22/17 06:10 PM Re: What do you think [Re: crooked horn]
Roll-Tide Offline
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Registered: 06/11/15
Posts: 3632
Based on the numbers it looks comparable To me the huge differnce is simple.

Texas looks completely different than it did in 1985. It was much much more rural.

Also technology, cell phones, pictures, websites to share info quickly.

I never even heard of a high fence ranch in 1985, but I was 14, but still hunted.

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#6929222 - 10/22/17 06:56 PM Re: What do you think [Re: crooked horn]
Nogalus Prairie Offline
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Hunter numbers are comparable from 1985-2015. Texas population up 60% in that timeframe. Zero growth. Big losses relative to population.
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