Said it poorly I will admit that. I restated it

It's not my fault when egotistical people say the only way to do it is their way. There are many paths depending on circumstances and equipment. The people I know care about listening to other people and accepting if they can learn another way of doing things and being humble about it. But apparently you missed that lesson

I did not miss that lesson. But I have had to bore sight the old school way after a guy has his bore sighted with lasers, muzzle gizmos and the like. Because the rifle and scope wouldn't even punch a hole on 2' x 2' paper at 100 yards.

But you stated something that is simply not true. And more people that me have said so.

Easiest rifles to bore sight through barrel are the Falling block rifles like the Ruger @1 or Dakota 10 both of which just require opening the action

Next would be bolt actions where you only have to remove the bolt to see through the bore

A little more complicated are the AR family. Separate the upp and lower. Remove charging handle and BCG and good to go. Bags that clamp onto the forearm make holding the upper solid help in this, Uncle Buds Bull bag works very well for this as well as the other actions when bore sighting from a bench

Lever actions can be done but is a little more work in disassembly but on my Marlins I have bore sighted this way.

I have several of the "bore sighter" commercial rigs and find them to be the most useful when changing scopes. Clamp the rifle down in a bench vise, attach the bore sighter and record where the sighted in acope is on the grid. Replace scope and set it to the recorded point on the grid, you will be very close.

So as I said earlier I did not post clearly. Not sure what happened to the rest of my post


Since you can’t remove the bcg and still have the stock they CAN be a bit more difficult. As stated remove the upper and bcc and you can do it that way. If you don’t have a good support it CAN be a bit more difficult. As note I have seen someone kicked off a public range doing this Because he was not on paper with 2-3 shots. One thing I SOMETIMES do is to bore sight with a laser just the left/right poi so I only have to focus on elevation which in my experience is a bit easier.

If you haven’t done looking though the barrel it can be difficult depending on eyesight, bags/support, etc.


I am well aware bolt can be removed, I was talking in context of a complete rifle (which is easier to stabilize)


So because you had a bad experience with one guy doesn’t mean it’s a bad method. Depending on how he used a laser Ie if he tried so many inches at so much distances, those calculations are depending on functions such as scope height which as you know on an ar tend to be relatively higher than a bolt which skew those old “rule of thumbs”. Kinda of like an ar zeroed at 50yards does have the same zero at 200, etc

You take one example without knowing why it happened it say lasers are bad. I know man people that have had good results with a laser.

Is "you", me?

If that's the case it is not that I've seen "one guy" have had results from a laser, it has been multiples of 10. Evidently you don't know how many rifles I'm around throughout a year.

It’s not about the technique. It’s the application. You can have good and bad application of both. People need to find what works for them.

But you have been though sooooo many rifles that you know evvvvvverhthing about shooting. I bet some people have even used lasers before they went to ur range.

Whatever.

You can have the last word. No point in me repeating myself. I already made the point, and you helped. Yes people have used lasers before coming to my place, and I had to fix what the laser did. Clearly that went right over your head.

I see what you did there say you can have the last word then make one more Jab... classy


Application trumps technique. You can get on paper with both they get to the same goal. My point is If you can not do it one way try the other. I have used both and both have worked. I understand that you have had to fix people who have tried laser technique. That’s application error. As I stated I have had to help people that failed by using the barrel technique. Those are application failures not technique. I am just proposing that using a laser can get you on paper and some people can use that as an alternative if they desire

Keep writing. But this^^ is still spreading false information. Also known as a lie, unless you're a politician.

Already agreed twice . Nice straw man to tie me to an argument I am not making in order to try prove me wrong

Think lie is a bit strong. Lie implies intent to deceive imo. Wrong, untrue, not correct, would all be a bit more appropriate

So you're feelings are hurt because I called a lie, a lie? Men don't do that.

Want to keep going in circles after your original lie?

I even linked to where said it was wrong

I admitted it...how are my feelings hurt? I was giving you better word choice

Because you need more explaniations

The definition of a lie

used with reference to a situation involving deception or founded on a mistaken impression

Here there was no intent of deception wereas a falsehood is a fact that was not correct. In this regard I said there was no bcg, but what I meant to say was that you can not say through the barrel with the lower attached even if you remove the bcg.

Regret lying, getting called out, then turning into a rude smart alec now?

locking, hope the OP has his answer.