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#6896283 - 09/23/17 08:46 AM Nikon black x1000 or vortex viper hst
Jojo4711 Offline
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Anyone with some insight on either optic would be appreciated. This will go on a 6.5 creedmoor or 7mm Rem Mag and will be used exclusively for 600+ yard target shooting. I prefer MIL/MIL scope because that is what I am used to. I have a 12x42 SWFA SS on a .308 which has served me well. I mention that because I know people will say just to get a SWFA lol, I want to try something different that has variable power. Probably hard to go wrong with either one of these, but I dont have any experience with either.

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#6896471 - 09/23/17 01:36 PM Re: Nikon black x1000 or vortex viper hst [Re: Jojo4711]
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I just mounted a Nikon black x1000 scope on a customers Tikka T3 in 270 Win. It's not bad. The scope turrets are a little soft, meaning they will spin easily. You can lift the turret caps and reset your zero very easily and quickly. I only worry about this since it's for a youth hunter and will be used as a hunting rifle. When on your shoulder, in the vehicle, and the normal use of the rifle, I could see the turrets being spun or adjusted without you knowing.
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#6896541 - 09/23/17 03:18 PM Re: Nikon black x1000 or vortex viper hst [Re: Jojo4711]
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#6896542 - 09/23/17 03:19 PM Re: Nikon black x1000 or vortex viper hst [Re: Jojo4711]
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#6896915 - 09/23/17 10:47 PM Re: Nikon black x1000 or vortex viper hst [Re: Buzzsaw]
Jojo4711 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Buzzsaw
Nikon


Y do u say Nikon

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#6897016 - 09/24/17 07:53 AM Re: Nikon black x1000 or vortex viper hst [Re: Jojo4711]
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Of those two o would get the Nikon. I think the glass is better. Your next step is pst 2

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#6897120 - 09/24/17 09:42 AM Re: Nikon black x1000 or vortex viper hst [Re: Jojo4711]
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First off, I do some freelance work for Nikon, just to get that out of the way. Second, If Nikon makes something that isn't going to work for you I will be the first to say so. Is the BLACK X1000 the best scope choice for a hunting rifle, I don't think so. will it work, absolutely. The return to zero is a great feature and the positive click adjustment makes it easy to dial in your distance. I have not had any issues with the turrets on my X1000 turning inadvertently . Having used exposed turret scopes for many years I am also in the habit of checking to make sure turrets are at zero before taking a shot. The BLACK X1000 scope has many great features found on much more expensive scopes. The glass is excellent, the 30 mm tube provides lots of adjustment and the turrets are excellent with repeatable accuracy and return to zero. I have been using 3 of the MRAD version's for 5 months now and have put 400+ rounds under 2 6.5 CM's and 1 .308. I have lot numerous guy's at my range look down the tubes adn send a few rounds and notihng but positive comment's including that is my next scope by some of the guys. There are numerous reviews available on line if you google Nikon BLACK X1000 reviews. I don't think there are any negative ones out there that I know about. You can still use this scope with Spot On and get distances for hash on the scope if dialing the distance isn't your thing.

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#6898092 - 09/25/17 09:36 AM Re: Nikon black x1000 or vortex viper hst [Re: Jojo4711]
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Bart tell Nikon to put some numbers in that reticle for a quick reference.
I use several scopes and it helps wether it's Mil or MOA to see a 2-4-6 or something to let you know what each hash represents. I looked at the Nikon and quickly handed it back to the sales person.
I now won't buy one unless it gives me reference.

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#6898116 - 09/25/17 09:47 AM Re: Nikon black x1000 or vortex viper hst [Re: Jojo4711]
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Another negative of the Nikon... On the windage turret, the number markings go from 0 to whatever in one direction. Most scopes have a zero, and then 1, 2, , 3 etc in both directions from zero. Nikon just rolls the numbers from 0 to whatever in one direction. So if you are dialing wind, you are going like 15 or 14, which is backwards.
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#6898236 - 09/25/17 11:14 AM Re: Nikon black x1000 or vortex viper hst [Re: Jojo4711]
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I've said this before, and I'll say it again. I think optics makers don't have any, or very many employees that actually shoot. R&D department could save themselves lots of times if they'd ask some shooters what works.
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#6898251 - 09/25/17 11:30 AM Re: Nikon black x1000 or vortex viper hst [Re: Jojo4711]
Jojo4711 Offline
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So are y'all saying the Vortex is a better scope?

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#6898263 - 09/25/17 11:40 AM Re: Nikon black x1000 or vortex viper hst [Re: Jojo4711]
Barton H Offline
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Thank you for suggestion's, I certainly will pass them along to Nikon. I appreciate getting info like that from you guy's. Anything that makes the optic better is very much appreciated.
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#6899441 - 09/26/17 10:36 AM Re: Nikon black x1000 or vortex viper hst [Re: Jojo4711]
mike lewis Offline
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I think the vortex is a better scope. I've looked through the x1000 and it is nice piece of glass but I think the vortex is a slightly bit better. The turrets on the vortex is also better. Vortex tracks well not sure about the Nikon tracking. Vortex also has slightly more travel

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#6900529 - 09/27/17 08:35 AM Re: Nikon black x1000 or vortex viper hst [Re: mike lewis]
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Originally Posted By: mike lewis
Vortex also has slightly more travel


No they don't.
The Vortex Viper HS-T has a maximum elevation of 75 MOA.
The Nikon Black X 1000 has a maximum elevation of 90 MOA.

Now the turrets on Nikon's Black X 1000 are not as tactile as Vortex's HS-T. But they both track well.
Optically? I would have to say that the Nikon is slightly better, at least to my eyes.
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#6901226 - 09/27/17 04:23 PM Re: Nikon black x1000 or vortex viper hst [Re: Jojo4711]
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