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#6892400 - 09/19/17 02:38 PM Rings and bases recommendations
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I just picked up a Vortex Diamonback 3.5-10x50 rifle scope. Mounting it on a Remington 700 .270.

I've never had a 50mm scope. What size rings and bases should I get? Also, any brand recommendations?

Thanks!

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#6892420 - 09/19/17 02:50 PM Re: Rings and bases recommendations [Re: TurkeyWhisperer]
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The height depends on which rings you get. You'll have to calculate the height. Most likely with a 50mm objective, you will need a medium to medium-high rings, but it also depends on which base you go with.

If you want a rock solid set up, get a 0 moa picatinny rail with some rings that mount to the rail. This set up is very solid.

Some other options are some Talley style, where they clamp the scope sideways, vertically. I've used a few of these and they work well. They just take a little longer to install than the rings that come apart at the top half.

I just would highly NOT recommend any of the bases that use the rear windage screws to hold the ring in place (see link below). I've seen way too many times shooters have issues with these type of bases.

NOT these:
https://www.leupold.com/scope-mounts/std-remington-700-rvf-2-pc
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#6892432 - 09/19/17 03:01 PM Re: Rings and bases recommendations [Re: TurkeyWhisperer]
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I like these a lot, with a picatinny rail:
https://swfa.com/burris-xtreme-tactical-signature-1-quot-rings-1.html


I have used these and they worked fine: https://swfa.com/nikon-s-series-steel-1-quot-rings.html


Here's a set that mounts directly to the action with no base:
https://swfa.com/talley-lightweight-aluminum-1-quot-scopemount-110.html
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#6892606 - 09/19/17 05:40 PM Re: Rings and bases recommendations [Re: TurkeyWhisperer]
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Chad's steering you right. Avoid the type of mount with the windage-adjustable rear if at all possible (and that's waaay possible for the 700).

Another good option is the Dual Dovetail system offered by Leupold. I believe Burris offered it at one time, but may not still be available. These are a strong system and they look good too---nice and clean.

I use the Burris Zee ring quite a bit, and it's a good stout ring for hunting rigs. When possible (and it almost always is) I use a steel Weaver-style mount for these. Weaver used to offer some of their mounts in steel, and maybe they still do---and those are fine. Warne makes a good steel base also. Even Weaver's aluminum mounts are decent IMO, but I always try to find a steel mount.

Another thing to avoid is the cheap aluminum crap offered by the likes of Simmons, Tasco, and other budget optics manufacturers. I may hurt someone's feelings, but that stuff is pure junk. You've got a fairly solid scope to mount, so don't handicap it by cheaping out with your mounts and rings.
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#6892615 - 09/19/17 05:50 PM Re: Rings and bases recommendations [Re: ChadTRG42]
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Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
The height depends on which rings you get. You'll have to calculate the height. Most likely with a 50mm objective, you will need a medium to medium-high rings, but it also depends on which base you go with.

If you want a rock solid set up, get a 0 moa picatinny rail with some rings that mount to the rail. This set up is very solid.

Some other options are some Talley style, where they clamp the scope sideways, vertically. I've used a few of these and they work well. They just take a little longer to install than the rings that come apart at the top half.

I just would highly NOT recommend any of the bases that use the rear windage screws to hold the ring in place (see link below). I've seen way too many times shooters have issues with these type of bases.

NOT these:
https://www.leupold.com/scope-mounts/std-remington-700-rvf-2-pc


Can you expound upon the problems you have seen? I am setting up a Browning X-Bolt and these are the bases I was planning on using. Thanks,


Edited by NMGW (09/19/17 05:50 PM)
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#6892633 - 09/19/17 06:07 PM Re: Rings and bases recommendations [Re: NMGW]
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Originally Posted By: NMGW
Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
The height depends on which rings you get. You'll have to calculate the height. Most likely with a 50mm objective, you will need a medium to medium-high rings, but it also depends on which base you go with.

If you want a rock solid set up, get a 0 moa picatinny rail with some rings that mount to the rail. This set up is very solid.

Some other options are some Talley style, where they clamp the scope sideways, vertically. I've used a few of these and they work well. They just take a little longer to install than the rings that come apart at the top half.

I just would highly NOT recommend any of the bases that use the rear windage screws to hold the ring in place (see link below). I've seen way too many times shooters have issues with these type of bases.

NOT these:
https://www.leupold.com/scope-mounts/std-remington-700-rvf-2-pc


Can you expound upon the problems you have seen? I am setting up a Browning X-Bolt and these are the bases I was planning on using. Thanks,


Sure. There's 2 main issues with these rear bases.

1- The rear screws can loosen up or get knocked loose very easily. If you drop your rifle or hit the scope on something, this system is not very strong and can easily shift the ring in the base. The screws are fairly easy to turn and all they do is clamp onto "ears" of the rings (see #2)

2- On the bottom of the ring, there are ears that the screws clamp on to. These ears can strip or sheer clean off. I have seen on multiple occasions the "ears" on the bottom of the ring sheer clean off. Some of these were light weight magnum rifles with big scopes, so the recoil force on the ears are very high.

If either of these problems begin to occur, you will be chasing your tail wondering why your rifle is not shooting well and losing zero. It's best to not even use these type of rings for this purpose. The problem is, you see these rings and bases on EVERY gun counter in existence. They are a bad system, and I'm not a fan of them. But, they have led to some added business for me when guys can not figure out why their rifle is off or they have a wondering zero!
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#6892715 - 09/19/17 07:31 PM Re: Rings and bases recommendations [Re: TurkeyWhisperer]
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Just mounting the scope properly with a windage-adjustable rear mount is problematic...because of the lateral mobility (if only during the mounting process) of the rear ring, it's easy to end up with unintended force flexing the scope tube. The system's only real strength is its adaptability in compensating for imperfect placement and drilling of the mounting holes, but its weaknesses are pretty egregious.
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#6892789 - 09/19/17 08:43 PM Re: Rings and bases recommendations [Re: RiverRider]
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Originally Posted By: RiverRider
Just mounting the scope properly with a windage-adjustable rear mount is problematic...because of the lateral mobility (if only during the mounting process) of the rear ring, it's easy to end up with unintended force flexing the scope tube. The system's only real strength is its adaptability in compensating for imperfect placement and drilling of the mounting holes, but its weaknesses are pretty egregious.


Saturday a customer arrived with these rings. Job one for his whole rig was checking torque on every fastener I could find, one being these screws. I put just enough to make them click on the wrench, which was into 45 in/lbs. I alternated left and right.

We never left 100 yard paper with his rig, because it was all over the place. I reached in the truck and pulled out my 7mm-08 with a hand load, great scope, terribly durable Weaver style rings, and EGW pic rail. What-do-ya-know, he went 200 to 800 with zero misses then put his rifle in his truck. 30 year old Win 70 in .300 Win Mag, and Hornady ELD-X 220 gr. What do you think I thought the major problem was with his rig?

Those crap rings and base.
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#6892799 - 09/19/17 08:57 PM Re: Rings and bases recommendations [Re: TurkeyWhisperer]
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Well, you CAN mount a scope with them so the rifle will shoot straight...but like Chad's pointed out it becomes a question of "for how long?"
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#6892800 - 09/19/17 08:57 PM Re: Rings and bases recommendations [Re: TurkeyWhisperer]
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Great info! Thank you guys!

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#6892880 - 09/19/17 09:58 PM Re: Rings and bases recommendations [Re: TurkeyWhisperer]
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I wish I would have seen a thread like this several years ago. I have some of them goofy Leupold bases on two guns. Them dang windage screws have caused me a problem on each gun. They are tight now (again) and have held well for several years, but I don't trust them.
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#6893100 - 09/20/17 08:12 AM Re: Rings and bases recommendations [Re: Simple Searcher]
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Originally Posted By: Simple Searcher
I wish I would have seen a thread like this several years ago. I have some of them goofy Leupold bases on two guns. Them dang windage screws have caused me a problem on each gun. They are tight now (again) and have held well for several years, but I don't trust them.


Correct! And if you tighten the screws up, you can easily change up the zero on your rifle, requiring you to re-zero the rifle again.
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#6893107 - 09/20/17 08:15 AM Re: Rings and bases recommendations [Re: TurkeyWhisperer]
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I've had leupold dual dovetail bases and Burris Signature rings on more rifles than I can remember and have never been disappointed. I can highly recommend them. I hate the windage adjustable rear bases though, for reasons others have mentioned. For my uses, I see no advantage to the oversized tactical rings/bases.

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#6893117 - 09/20/17 08:21 AM Re: Rings and bases recommendations [Re: Jgraider]
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Originally Posted By: Jgraider
I've had leupold dual dovetail bases and Burris Signature rings on more rifles than I can remember and have never been disappointed. I can highly recommend them. I hate the windage adjustable rear bases though, for reasons others have mentioned. For my uses, I see no advantage to the oversized tactical rings/bases.


Yes. The dual dove tail mounts work fine. The only issue I have had with them is after mounting, sometimes the scope is pointed off in one direction, and there is not enough internal adjustment to get a zero. I have seen in more than one occasion this be an issue. With a good base, the dual dove tails are a strong set up. I just don't like how they line up sometimes.

The advantage of the "tactical" type mounts is that they are a very solid platform for mounting a scope. I often carry and pick up my rifle by it's scope. If I can't do this or if I feel that the mount and rifle set up is not strong enough to do this, then I need a better mount. For my basic Howa 1500 in 270 Win (my very first rifle I ever bought), I installed a pic rail and strong "tactical" type rings for it. I got the rings that are more lower profile and not over sized. But the system works and is VERY strong, and holds a perfect zero. And, it lines up the scope to the rifle much better.
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#6893300 - 09/20/17 11:20 AM Re: Rings and bases recommendations [Re: TurkeyWhisperer]
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Originally Posted By: TurkeyWhisperer
I just picked up a Vortex Diamonback 3.5-10x50 rifle scope. Mounting it on a Remington 700 .270.

I've never had a 50mm scope. What size rings and bases should I get? Also, any brand recommendations?

Thanks!


I have a Win M70 .308 heavy barrel. It has a 20 MOA EGW picatinny rail and wears a 6-24x50 Bushnell. I used the Seekins low rings and I do not have clearance problems. You may not need medium or medium-high rings-it will depend on your rail/bases and how long the scope is. I would order both low and medium and use the one you're most happy with, return the other.
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