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Rimfire Bolts - CZ vs RAR - and which cal? #6873994 08/30/17 09:19 PM
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452/455 vs Ruger American

What are you Tx guys using? And 22LR vs Mag? Any varmint use?

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I have a CZ 455 Heavy in .17 HMR that shoots lights out. Love that rifle.

I don't have nor have I ever used a RAR so I can't comment on it. I hear they are decent rifles.


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Can't help with the Ruger. Have CZ-452 in both 22Mag and 17HMR, excellent shooters with very good triggers and 3x9 scopes. Consistent 1-1.5" groups at 100 yards. That said, I have a NEF single shot with old Redfield 6X scope and fine lines which will shoot circles around both of them. Ragged 10-shot group the size of a quarter, clean or dirty, hot or cold. With the 20 gr 17HMR, I kill coyotes at 200 yards no problem.

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Re: Rimfire Bolts - CZ vs RAR - and which cal? [Re: 6.5BR] #6874211 08/31/17 12:47 AM
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I have the RAR target version in .22lr. I posted some target photos here:

http://texashuntingforum.com/forum/ubbth...et_#Post6729720

That was when I first got it. Since then I've found some other ammo that shoots about as well as the CCI standard velocity target.

Mostly use it for plinking at the lease. Works plenty well enough for that.

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I only have CZs. A .22 in 452 and a 17 in 455. Both shoot excellent. I would like to get a 22 mag some day just to have one but I would always get a 17 first because of its performance.

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I had a CZ in 17 HMR that didn't shoot well at all IMHO. Of those, I'd go with the Ruger. But the CZ did feel very well made and most folks report very good accuracy from them.

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Buzzsaw, been thinking about a quality bolt in the price range of these two models.

200 yds on yotes is impressive. Can anyone comment on meat damage on small game like tree squirrels and rabbits using the 22 mag and 17 HMR? Thanks for all replies, good info, welcome others.



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I just got a cz 455 varmint last week. After shooting it in one range session I just purchased another one. Can't beat them for the price.


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BIG giant smile on your face after watching the bullet hit the same spot time after time through a 24x scope. Cci sv.


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I just got a cz 455 varmint last week. After shooting it in one range session I just purchased another one. Can't beat them for the price.


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Originally Posted By: Sigmund
I have the RAR target version in .22lr. I posted some target photos here:

http://texashuntingforum.com/forum/ubbth...et_#Post6729720

That was when I first got it. Since then I've found some other ammo that shoots about as well as the CCI standard velocity target.

Mostly use it for plinking at the lease. Works plenty well enough for that.


That's good stuff right there. up


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Originally Posted By: 6.5BR
Buzzsaw, been thinking about a quality bolt in the price range of these two models.

200 yds on yotes is impressive. Can anyone comment on meat damage on small game like tree squirrels and rabbits using the 22 mag and 17 HMR? Thanks for all replies, good info, welcome others.


My 22 Mag blows up rabbits, haven't shot a squirrel with one.


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I much prefer anything CZ over Ruger in a rifle.


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Originally Posted By: Blank
Can't help with the Ruger. Have CZ-452 in both 22Mag and 17HMR, excellent shooters with very good triggers and 3x9 scopes. Consistent 1-1.5" groups at 100 yards. That said, I have a NEF single shot with old Redfield 6X scope and fine lines which will shoot circles around both of them. Ragged 10-shot group the size of a quarter, clean or dirty, hot or cold. With the 20 gr 17HMR, I kill coyotes at 200 yards no problem.
Not trying to knock you Blank, but maybe this is my problem. My expectation for a $500 bolt action gun in 17HMR is better than 1.5" at 100 yards. That's about what my CZ would shoot, which I thought was dreadful. If you're buying it as a hunting gun, obviously that's fine. But just about any modern firearm is plenty adequate for hunting (and plenty are cheaper than CZ). I thought the reason to pay extra for a CZ was for accuracy. But if the folks who love them are happy with 1.5" groups in a 17HMR, then maybe our guns are all the same and the expectations are just different.

I had a Savage in 17HMR as well and never could make it shoot decent either, so I went back to centerfire and the small groups returned. Maybe me and rimfire just weren't meant to be.

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Can't help with the Ruger. Have CZ-452 in both 22Mag and 17HMR, excellent shooters with very good triggers and 3x9 scopes. Consistent 1-1.5" groups at 100 yards. That said, I have a NEF single shot with old Redfield 6X scope and fine lines which will shoot circles around both of them. Ragged 10-shot group the size of a quarter, clean or dirty, hot or cold. With the 20 gr 17HMR, I kill coyotes at 200 yards no problem.
Not trying to knock you Blank, but maybe this is my problem. My expectation for a $500 bolt action gun in 17HMR is better than 1.5" at 100 yards. That's about what my CZ would shoot, which I thought was dreadful. If you're buying it as a hunting gun, obviously that's fine. But just about any modern firearm is plenty adequate for hunting (and plenty are cheaper than CZ). I thought the reason to pay extra for a CZ was for accuracy. But if the folks who love them are happy with 1.5" groups in a 17HMR, then maybe our guns are all the same and the expectations are just different.

I had a Savage in 17HMR as well and never could make it shoot decent either, so I went back to centerfire and the small groups returned. Maybe me and rimfire just weren't meant to be.


I wouldn't expect a rimfire to do much better than that due to ammo quality. Gun isn't the issue, imo.


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I just got a cz 455 varmint last week. After shooting it in one range session I just purchased another one. Can't beat them for the price.
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Thanks for feedback folks, others feel free to chime in.



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Can't help with the Ruger. Have CZ-452 in both 22Mag and 17HMR, excellent shooters with very good triggers and 3x9 scopes. Consistent 1-1.5" groups at 100 yards. That said, I have a NEF single shot with old Redfield 6X scope and fine lines which will shoot circles around both of them. Ragged 10-shot group the size of a quarter, clean or dirty, hot or cold. With the 20 gr 17HMR, I kill coyotes at 200 yards no problem.
Not trying to knock you Blank, but maybe this is my problem. My expectation for a $500 bolt action gun in 17HMR is better than 1.5" at 100 yards. That's about what my CZ would shoot, which I thought was dreadful. If you're buying it as a hunting gun, obviously that's fine. But just about any modern firearm is plenty adequate for hunting (and plenty are cheaper than CZ). I thought the reason to pay extra for a CZ was for accuracy. But if the folks who love them are happy with 1.5" groups in a 17HMR, then maybe our guns are all the same and the expectations are just different.

I had a Savage in 17HMR as well and never could make it shoot decent either, so I went back to centerfire and the small groups returned. Maybe me and rimfire just weren't meant to be.


I wouldn't expect a rimfire to do much better than that due to ammo quality. Gun isn't the issue, imo.
I have seen lots of folks say that they're shooting groups with their Marlin/Savage rifles that they can cover with a dime at 100 yards. My experience with rimfire has not been that good.

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Most accurate rimfire I have ever shot CZ 452 in 17 Mach II, Now if Hornady would get off their butts and make more ammo for it would be very nice


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Thanks folks. P-07 - to me, an ideal round for say 100-300 yds would be a 17 MK4, 222 or 221 with light bullets zipping. The last two push 40s around 3600-3700 and bughole with good loads, Lil Gun works well wink



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Thanks folks. P-07 - to me, an ideal round for say 100-300 yds would be a 17 MK4, 222 or 221 with light bullets zipping. The last two push 40s around 3600-3700 and bughole with good loads, Lil Gun works well wink


For that I like my 17 Remington zipping 25gr bullets at 4250fps. inch high at 100, inch low at 300. Shot my smallest group evr with that rifle at 1/8 inch center to center


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Thanks folks. P-07 - to me, an ideal round for say 100-300 yds would be a 17 MK4, 222 or 221 with light bullets zipping. The last two push 40s around 3600-3700 and bughole with good loads, Lil Gun works well wink
When I had my 17HMR, it was a range gun only. I was trying to shoot small groups at 100 with cheap ammo. I ended up selling it and getting a 223, which I had a blast with even out to 300-400. But I'm wanting to extend out a bit more now and decided to go to a 6.5.

All that to say - range guns that shoot 1.5 MOA are completely uninteresting to me. I expected better from the "high quality" CZ. It did feel high quality, but it didn't shoot like it, especially compared to my 223 and 6.5.

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