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truing action
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08/25/17 09:38 PM
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I'm considering having this done and it will be my first time. Wouldn't the barrel need to be machined as well so when installed it makes a flush mating of the 2 surfaces? I'm no smith and need help getting my head around this completely.
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Re: truing action
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08/25/17 09:43 PM
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Yes, both would be trued. If you are building a rifle, the smith could true the front of the action. When you install a new barrel, the smith would also true the front of the barrel to mate to the action.
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A quality aftermarket recoil lug was recommended to be put in at that time as well. Sound right to you?
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08/25/17 10:13 PM
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A thicker recoil lug, yes. If it's the same size you are replacing it with, it won't matter.
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Do you do any of this work at your shop?
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08/25/17 10:17 PM
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I don't do it, no. But I have a gun smith that I use for all my work who can. What action or rifle is it?
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Re: truing action
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08/26/17 02:39 AM
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For what it's worth, I've kicked around this idea a few times and even spoke to a few reliable guys. Two of them told me it ain't really worth truing an action and just reinstalling a factory barrel. You will be paying so much money for marginal improvement. Besides, once any gunsmith has you rifle disassembled and action tried, then the additional cost of getting an new barrel versus them messing with your factory barrel is not that much and you will notice a much greater improvement in accuracy.
I'm a dude who likes long barrels!
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08/26/17 10:08 PM
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Also, if the gunsmith recuts the threads in the receiver the barrel tenon threads will be too small and the barrel will need to be replaced.
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08/26/17 10:59 PM
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Do you do any of this work at your shop? Head over to Alamo Precision in Euless. They are really good with Remington stuff
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08/26/17 11:43 PM
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Buy a Tikka T-3 and rebarrel it.
It's money better spent, and you're ending up with a better action, and a trigger that does not need replacing.
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On most 700's, if both locking lugs are making solid contact and the bedding is squared away, they will usually shoot. Like others mentioned, I would hold off the action and recoil lug unless I was going to re-barrel, or one of the locking lugs showed less than 30% contact.
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What is the intended purpose of the rifle you are building? Budget? Accuracy expectations?
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I would hold off the action and recoil lug unless I was going to re-barrel, or one of the locking lugs showed less than 30% contact. After further consideration, I may do this, get it all done at the same time. I had planned on re-barreling to 6.5CM down the road, so maybe I'll wait for now.
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What is the intended purpose of the rifle you are building? Budget? Accuracy expectations? I intend to shoot paper and steel to around 800, as a hobby, I doubt I'll ever compete in a match as time constraints don't allow for it. Budget, I don't plan on getting $5k in this rifle but have no doubt I will be putting no less than $2k maybe 3. Accuracy expectations, to hit MOA at say 800 it must shoot sub MOA. Benchrest ain't my thing but I won't be satisfied until I can hit MOA sized steel at distance. This should be a reachable even for me. I have no illusions I'll be shooting out over 1000.
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For a 2-3k budget I would use a Bat VR action, Krieger barrel, McMillan stock. Will put you at about 2500. If you are in no hurry sign up for McMillan's email list, they have decent sales every few months. I like Bruno Shooters Supply, they have sales on everything, sign up for their emails too. Waiting for sale will save lots.
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Re: truing action
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For your budget when you get ready, you can build something pretty darn good. A lot of really good rifles are built on 700 SA's and you already own the action. Krieger or Shilen barrel, McMillan stock with pillars, Timney trigger. That with the right ammo will shoot with the best.
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Personally, if a 700 action doesn't shoot good enough for you, I'd consider following firemanjg's advise and selling the 700 and buying a Tikka. All three I've owned have shot ridiculously good out of the box, even with factory ammo. My T3 lite was a sub-MOA gun and my T3x Varmint and CTR will both shoot tiny groups.
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Personally, if a 700 action doesn't shoot good enough for you, I'd consider following firemanjg's advise and selling the 700 and buying a Tikka. All three I've owned have shot ridiculously good out of the box, even with factory ammo. My T3 lite was a sub-MOA gun and my T3x Varmint and CTR will both shoot tiny groups. This.
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Usually not worth it. Save up for a new barrel or better action.
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08/28/17 05:16 PM
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It's important to know that just facing off the receiver and lapping lugs does not a Trued receiver make. The threads will also be recut to ensure they are true also. You'll most likely be left with needing a new barrel too.
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Re: truing action
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08/28/17 05:23 PM
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IMO, if you true up a factory Rem 700, at the end of the day you still have a Rem 700. A basic Rem 700 rebarreled with a quality barrel will shoot very well. If you were to compare the cost of a custom Rem 700 action, like a Sugeon, Stiller, or Big Horn, and compare it to truing up a Rem 700, it would be about the same cost.
Gary, the 308 Win rifle I shot in the THF Tactical match at Jason's that I let you shoot was a $360 Rem 700 ADL in 308 Win when I bought it. I took off the factory barrel, screwed on a custom Bartlein 308, and put it in an old Manners T4 stock I had on hand. It shoots about 1/2 moa, and good enough to win that match. It was my PBR Rifle- parts build rifle. It's certainly doable with a factory Rem 700 rifle.
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IMO, if you true up a factory Rem 700, at the end of the day you still have a Rem 700. A basic Rem 700 rebarreled with a quality barrel will shoot very well. If you were to compare the cost of a custom Rem 700 action, like a Sugeon, Stiller, or Big Horn, and compare it to truing up a Rem 700, it would be about the same cost.
Gary, the 308 Win rifle I shot in the THF Tactical match at Jason's that I let you shoot was a $360 Rem 700 ADL in 308 Win when I bought it. I took off the factory barrel, screwed on a custom Bartlein 308, and put it in an old Manners T4 stock I had on hand. It shoots about 1/2 moa, and good enough to win that match. It was my PBR Rifle- parts build rifle. It's certainly doable with a factory Rem 700 rifle. I thought PBR stood for poor boys rifle.
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Re: truing action
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Top two most important things that make a precise shooting rifle.
1. A quality barrel, expertly machined to fit the action, properly chambered, and properly crowned.
2. A hand load using good components, and built to be turned to that barrel's harmonics.
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I'm going to scrap the idea of messing with that receiver and just get a good barrel on it. Probably put a quality lug on while the barrel is off just because. Thank you very much for the informative feedback. I working on some loads for the factory barrel now Jason. I order a scope rings and base Friday for it. Then start the saving all over again for a barrel. Any reason I should not re-barrel in 6.5CM and start the load development all over again?
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