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#6866772 - 08/23/17 08:31 PM TPWD public drawn hunts
Hgood Offline
Light Foot

Registered: 01/02/17
Posts: 19
Loc: SETexas
I must agree with many of y'all that the TPWD drawn hunts have become much more difficult to win a drawn permit. The ability to apply for every hunt in every category with the inclusion of the post card and National refuge hunts seems to have really increased the volume of hunters applying for the hunts. On one hand, this is probably good financially for TPWD. On the other hand, it is a little frustrating for those of us who have been involved with these drawings for many years and are seeing our number of "selection notifications" drop to almost nada! I am concerned, but not sure if we should push for a change. What are y'all's thoughts?

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#6866786 - 08/23/17 08:43 PM Re: TPWD public drawn hunts [Re: Hgood]
Erny Offline
Veteran Tracker

Registered: 02/26/11
Posts: 2070
Loc: Smith County
What kinda changes are you talking about? They are not going back to the old system. This new system has some flaws but overall not that bad. I guess one change I would like to see is that you have to have a current hunting licencse in order to apply.

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#6866807 - 08/23/17 09:03 PM Re: TPWD public drawn hunts [Re: Erny]
Chunky Monkey Offline
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Registered: 12/03/14
Posts: 1606
Originally Posted By: Erny
What kinda changes are you talking about? They are not going back to the old system. This new system has some flaws but overall not that bad. I guess one change I would like to see is that you have to have a current hunting licencse in order to apply.


I agree with this post. But if you see what Texas is doing with the funds from the TPWD you might sing a different tune. More money but for whom?


Edited by Chunky Monkey (08/23/17 09:04 PM)

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#6866850 - 08/23/17 09:40 PM Re: TPWD public drawn hunts [Re: Hgood]
Hgood Offline
Light Foot

Registered: 01/02/17
Posts: 19
Loc: SETexas
Very interesting thoughts!! I am curious about if there has been a great increase in income for the TPWD. My wish would be that the funds be used to continue to support and maintain the state parks, wmas, and working folks who take care of Texas's public hunting lands. I am not particularly pushing to change what the draw system has evolved into, I will admit that the satisfaction in drawing a permit these days is much more gratifying now that the odds are much more difficult. The convenience of being able to apply for the post card and nat'l refuge hunts in the same system is quite nice.

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#6866882 - 08/23/17 10:19 PM Re: TPWD public drawn hunts [Re: Hgood]
SherpaPhil Online   content
Outdoorsman

Registered: 04/09/12
Posts: 76
Loc: Dallas
I think that TPWD, like most other states with low cost drawings, should require applicants to buy a hunting license first. My guess is it would be revenue positive for TPWD, while increasing our odds for drawing.

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#6866894 - 08/23/17 10:38 PM Re: TPWD public drawn hunts [Re: Hgood]
WileyCoyote Offline
THF Trophy Hunter

Registered: 09/01/04
Posts: 5250
Loc: The Dogwood Capital of Texas
One change I've noticed this year from years past, since TPW has gone to the computerized suystem that has got to be a no brainer for any 13 year old programmer...instead of selecting however many locations to pony up the $3 App Fee for and actualy being drawn for one of them, then cancelling all my other App's in that same given category....this year after I was drawn at a place that has a very poor record of success over the years, my other App's were forwarded to all the other locatons in that same category I had paid App fee's on for the Pending 2nd Round drawing ... and I am still in the game, AND I will attend the SP ( and generate a revenue stream that I have never been willing to spend at that location ever before ).

2nd new change is the small printed notice on a locations description to call for Stand By availablity...instead of beleiving that the computer programmers had eliminated the need for a Stand By starw drawing at the gate for the no shows and bounced check payments etc...and fill the Biologist's recc'd number of Hunters to harvest the approved # of critters...better management of the harvest, pleases the hard core hunters with a bonus for those of us willing and able to chase the Stand By Entry's...and BTDT and was worth my effort more often than not for a last minute Hunt. Just Sayin'.

Just Please Do Not ask me in public for my thoughts on the Legislatures continuing raids on TPW dedicated Fund Accounts ...I feel certain my 1st Amendment Rights of Free Speech would not hold up in court...
Ron
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#6866899 - 08/23/17 10:53 PM Re: TPWD public drawn hunts [Re: Hgood]
Blank Online   content
Woodsman

Registered: 09/20/10
Posts: 150
Loc: Idaho Falls, Idaho
I am a non-resident, and that said, I have been applying since 1991 when I lived in Texas and I really enjoy the Texas Drawn Hunts program. I do purchase a regular hunting license every year for $315 dollars, and will continue to do so to hunt and apply. I think most of the people who apply would gladly pay an increased amount for application fees or the full price license in order to continue to apply for controlled drawn hunts. Hunt if we can, hate us if you will, there are a lot of states out there where we will help you do the same hunts if you want to... Enforce a 10% limit if you want, but we will still apply!

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#6867026 - 08/24/17 07:42 AM Re: TPWD public drawn hunts [Re: Hgood]
WileyCoyote Offline
THF Trophy Hunter

Registered: 09/01/04
Posts: 5250
Loc: The Dogwood Capital of Texas
Blank...IMO this is a State Vs Federal tax revenue allocation issue.

No one I know in Texas wants the out of state Hunters dollars to stay home. Texas has a larger huntable game population than most states, and actually needs the Out of State Hunters to properly manage the Game populations.

However we all want to be treated fairly and equally in accessing the assets of FEDERAL Land in any given State, and feel like the Western States most of All abuse their access rights to Out of State Hunters to maximize the monetary return and giving unfair access to game animals to that States residents that ALL of our FEDERAL TAX $'s pay for, that is applied by the FEDERAL Government equally across the 50 states.

When I lived in Florida & Illinois my Federal Tax rates were the same as I had in Texas, OTOH my State Tax's, were funded by different approaches with Texas & Florida using Property Tax's, X's Illinois's more common Personal Income Tax. When I looked at moving to other states those different State Tax approches were a part of my considerations and prevented me from moving to several other states as I was on a fixed bracket rate paid by my empolyer nationwide for the same job....and I eventually came home to Dallas and travelled nationally instead...and wrote off my travel expense on my Federal Income Tax.

Now if I could exclude a "Western" or some other restricted access State from receiving my Federal Tax $'s I might have a different viewpoint.

This is nothing more and nothing less than Equal Protection under Federal Law, is the super short argument when you boil it all down.

To see how this would work, take a close look at what the Texas Dept Insurance Licensing Rules aka a "Goose & Gander to the penny, exam & educational level requirements, and # of Non Residnet Licenses granted to that State" approach are for Out of State Insurance Agents who want to sell their Insurance Products in Texas, with their State of Residence in another state...which is exactly what I am proposing for Out of State Hunters.... verbatim, line by line, chapter and verse.
Nothing More and Nothing Less.
JMHO & YMMV
Ron


Edited by WileyCoyote (08/24/17 08:05 AM)
Edit Reason: where's my speel check????
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#6867050 - 08/24/17 08:05 AM Re: TPWD public drawn hunts [Re: Hgood]
Hgood Offline
Light Foot

Registered: 01/02/17
Posts: 19
Loc: SETexas
Excellent point, Blank! I had not considered the point of view from a non-resident standpoint. It is a sort of hobby of mine to look for low cost, big game hunt drawings all over the United States. My personal investments in "out of state hunts" range from $10 for Pennsylvania Elk to over $700 for New Mexico elk. You are correct, I will also continue to apply in Maine, Vermont, and New Hampshire for Moose tags. New Mexico, Colorado, Oklahoma, Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Wyoming, Montana, and Arizona for Elk and/or Mule deer and/or Bison tags. I guess in the grand scheme of things for the American hunters, the TPWD public drawing system ain't too shabby. Thanks for your perspective!

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#6867186 - 08/24/17 09:52 AM Re: TPWD public drawn hunts [Re: Blank]
SherpaPhil Online   content
Outdoorsman

Registered: 04/09/12
Posts: 76
Loc: Dallas
Originally Posted By: Blank
I am a non-resident, and that said, I have been applying since 1991 when I lived in Texas and I really enjoy the Texas Drawn Hunts program. I do purchase a regular hunting license every year for $315 dollars, and will continue to do so to hunt and apply. I think most of the people who apply would gladly pay an increased amount for application fees or the full price license in order to continue to apply for controlled drawn hunts. Hunt if we can, hate us if you will, there are a lot of states out there where we will help you do the same hunts if you want to... Enforce a 10% limit if you want, but we will still apply!


You are exactly the type of out of state hunter that we want in the system - one who doesn't mind ponying up the cash in exchange for using our resources. If everyone was required to buy a license before they could apply, I think it would solve most issues people have with the system. My frustration is the huge number of out of state guys who drop $20 on the most desirable hunts and screw up the odds for the rest of us, without making any contribution to the state.

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#6867190 - 08/24/17 09:57 AM Re: TPWD public drawn hunts [Re: Hgood]
SherpaPhil Online   content
Outdoorsman

Registered: 04/09/12
Posts: 76
Loc: Dallas
WileyCoyote, You have the same rights to access federal land in other states that any resident does. Go hiking, camping, bird watching, etc. It belongs to all of us. However, it is not the Feds who manage game populations, that has been delegated to the individual states who can manage it as they see fit. You have equal access to the federal resource, just not the state resource.

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#6867247 - 08/24/17 10:50 AM Re: TPWD public drawn hunts [Re: SherpaPhil]
TWarren Offline
Bird Dog

Registered: 10/22/05
Posts: 386
Loc: Lubbock
Originally Posted By: SherpaPhil
WileyCoyote, You have the same rights to access federal land in other states that any resident does. Go hiking, camping, bird watching, etc. It belongs to all of us. However, it is not the Feds who manage game populations, that has been delegated to the individual states who can manage it as they see fit. You have equal access to the federal resource, just not the state resource.


100% correct. While certainly frustrating to see the small and ever decreasing odds of non-residents drawing tags, the bottom line is those wildlife species are managed by those states for their own residents, regardless of who owns the land. Want better odds of an elk tag in New Mexico? Move to New Mexico or what ever state you dream of hunting.

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#6867353 - 08/24/17 12:42 PM Re: TPWD public drawn hunts [Re: Hgood]
Bigfoot Offline
Tracker

Registered: 08/06/14
Posts: 931
Loc: Galveston Bay
I believe that with all of this money it should definitely be reinvested in to TPWD programs of any kind and with the growing number of applicants and more money that means they should offer more and better hunts. More standby hunters should be accepted also.

basically more applicants means more hunts should be offered.





Edited by Bigfoot (08/24/17 12:43 PM)
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#6867500 - 08/24/17 03:05 PM Re: TPWD public drawn hunts [Re: Hgood]
DFWpublichunter Online   content
Outdoorsman

Registered: 01/31/17
Posts: 99
Loc: Dallas, TX
Blank has a good perspective and definitely points out the major flaw of the TPWD draw system - a license should be required to enter. That is what has kept me from applying to out of state drawn hunts, not a big enough hunting budget yet. It would be good to see that implemented in the near future.
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#6867629 - 08/24/17 04:38 PM Re: TPWD public drawn hunts [Re: DFWpublichunter]
Bigfoot Offline
Tracker

Registered: 08/06/14
Posts: 931
Loc: Galveston Bay
Originally Posted By: DFWpublichunter
Blank has a good perspective and definitely points out the major flaw of the TPWD draw system - a license should be required to enter. That is what has kept me from applying to out of state drawn hunts, not a big enough hunting budget yet. It would be good to see that implemented in the near future.


I dont like it!! The reason they have public hunts is so they guy that cant afford a $20K hunt can go hunt. So having to spend a few hundred dollars on a license just to apply is ridiculous in my opinion and goes against what public hunting should be about. The govt is stepping on the little guy like usual.
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