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Scopes made in Japan #6854179 08/12/17 11:30 PM
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I went and talked to a dealer today at the extravaganza and he told me that scopes from Japan are the better ones these days. I wasn't in a position to argue cause I simply don't know. I've been shooting leupold and vortex for a while and haven't even paid attention to where they are manufactured. Can some one shed some light on this?

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Most scope companies have their top tier scopes made in Japan. The LOW plant makes Vortex Razor, Bushnell Elite Tactical, SWFA SS and a bunch more higher-end scopes. Japanese glass quality and production methods are top notch.


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Interesting. I guess I can't keep up lol I thought Germany was on top

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A customer service rep. at Leupold told me they get their glass from Japan

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That was my next question is where leupold gets their glass from for their higher end scopes.

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LOW makes some great lenses,but Schott is still the standard to go by.

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Originally Posted By: EasyMoney
Interesting. I guess I can't keep up lol I thought Germany was on top


If you only care about pretty glass, then yes, Germany is on top. If you want excellent glass and great mechanics and tracking, then Germany has a shtload of catching up to do.


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All I want is good low light tough and tracks perfect those are usually my top 3 that I go on then I'll pick and choose

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Originally Posted By: EasyMoney
All I want is good low light tough and tracks perfect those are usually my top 3 that I go on then I'll pick and choose


What's your budget?


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Haven't nailed down a budget yet. I've got 2 pending deals but if all works out I'll be about $1000

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Originally Posted By: ImTheReasonDovesMourn
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Interesting. I guess I can't keep up lol I thought Germany was on top


If you only care about pretty glass, then yes, Germany is on top. If you want excellent glass and great mechanics and tracking, then Germany has a shtload of catching up to do.


I don't think Schmidt & Bender has much catching up to do. Tangent Theta may be the only one better and they're using German glass also. The best have German glass still


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Originally Posted by KRoyal
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Back to the OP, for your budget I would look at a Burris XTR II or a Gen 2 PST. They're equal in optical quality. The Burris has a 34mm tube compared to the Gen 2 PSTs 30mm tube, so you would get more elevation travel from the Burris. I love the EBR-2C reticle in my Gen 2 PSTs, but the Burris has a really nice reticle too. The XTR comes with super nice lens covers. I paid an extra $45 for the lens caps for my Gen 2s. The zero stops on the Gen 2 PST is the best in its price range. You really can't go wrong with either. Unless you find a Tangent Theta for a grand.... hammer


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Zeiss has a bad azz scope made in Japan under $250.00.....
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/ZEISS-Conquest-6-24x50AO-Illuminated-Hunting-Rifle-Scope-HD-Sight-FREE-Mount-/272575484243?epid=596889640&hash=item3f76c3d153:g:7VYAAOSwN2VZUh5s

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Originally Posted By: ImTheReasonDovesMourn
Back to the OP, for your budget I would look at a Burris XTR II or a Gen 2 PST. They're equal in optical quality. The Burris has a 34mm tube compared to the Gen 2 PSTs 30mm tube, so you would get more elevation travel from the Burris. I love the EBR-2C reticle in my Gen 2 PSTs, but the Burris has a really nice reticle too. The XTR comes with super nice lens covers. I paid an extra $45 for the lens caps for my Gen 2s. The zero stops on the Gen 2 PST is the best in its price range. You really can't go wrong with either. Unless you find a Tangent Theta for a grand.... hammer


Haven't got to mess with a gen 2 PST yet but I bet these mentioned are the two best around your budget. I missed the $1k comment and focused on the "best" being made in Japan. For sure some good glass from there. My scope glass is Japanese best I know (Leopold Mark6 and NF NXS) and they're good but not close to "best"


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I've been looking at scopes for awhile. For the money I would look into the pst 2 and one that just caught my attention at the hunting show was the Tract optics. I was highly impressed by the new company. Not crazy about the reticle choices but the glass was fantastic in the top end. Top end had a terrible gray color though.

Their 3x9 is probably the new best $300 is scope in my opinion for a straight hunting scope in that power. Kinda like the old zeiss conquest line before they crapped out and made the terra line.

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Interesting. I guess I can't keep up lol I thought Germany was on top


If you only care about pretty glass, then yes, Germany is on top. If you want excellent glass and great mechanics and tracking, then Germany has a shtload of catching up to do.


I don't think Schmidt & Bender has much catching up to do. Tangent Theta may be the only one better and they're using German glass also. The best have German glass still


This x2. Top of the heap is Ziess Hendsolt followed by TT and Schmidt. The Razors are typically solid but I've seen more fail than S&B and I've shot around a fairly equal amount. The glass in the razor are very inconsistent imo but that being said they offer a huge bang for the buck.


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If you can live with a pretty basic mildot reticle, weaver has a 6-30 that's made by LOW in Japan.
It's on sale at matchezss for $749. https://www.natchezss.com/weaver-super-slam-tactical-rifle-scope-6-30x56mm-34mm.html

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Interesting. I guess I can't keep up lol I thought Germany was on top


If you only care about pretty glass, then yes, Germany is on top. If you want excellent glass and great mechanics and tracking, then Germany has a shtload of catching up to do.


I don't think Schmidt & Bender has much catching up to do. Tangent Theta may be the only one better and they're using German glass also. The best have German glass still


This x2. Top of the heap is Ziess Hendsolt followed by TT and Schmidt. The Razors are typically solid but I've seen more fail than S&B and I've shot around a fairly equal amount. The glass in the razor are very inconsistent imo but that being said they offer a huge bang for the buck.


I guess y'all know something the professional shooters don't know.




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As long as its quality they shoot what their sponsors give them or pay them to use. Vortex sponsor a lot along with having a solid Razor gen 2. Wonder what that would look like if they all had to buy their own and money didn't matter? That's something I'd be interested in seeing numbers on


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Originally Posted By: bphillips
As long as its quality they shoot what their sponsors give them or pay them to use. Vortex sponsor a lot along with having a solid Razor gen 2. Wonder what that would look like if they all had to buy their own and money didn't matter? That's something I'd be interested in seeing numbers on



I'm more interested to know why a shooter would leave a product if it was the best tool to help them win. Looks like a bunch of shooters have abandoned S&B in the last few years. Maybe they have some catching up to do.


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As long as its quality they shoot what their sponsors give them or pay them to use. Vortex sponsor a lot along with having a solid Razor gen 2. Wonder what that would look like if they all had to buy their own and money didn't matter? That's something I'd be interested in seeing numbers on



I'm more interested to know why a shooter would leave a product if it was the best tool to help them win. Looks like a bunch of shooters have abandoned S&B in the last few years. Maybe they have some catching up to do.


No new products. Not spending sponsorship money like others.

With the scopes in that list it's splitting hairs on what's best and gets very personal. Not a wrong choice in the top 4 so go with who offers you more. Be cool to see them bring new stuff but it would be out of my $ range for sure


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Originally Posted By: ImTheReasonDovesMourn

I guess y'all know something the professional shooters don't know.





Yet the top a majority of the top 10 current standings run german glass. Heck the mpa match that literally just ended 1-3 were german being 2 khales and a Schmidt. At the okie match I shot today there were schmidt outnumbered razor 2-1.


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Is it because people are not wanting a 48 oz scope?

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