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#6851866 - 08/10/17 12:48 PM Force fetch
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It's looking like the new pup is going to need to be force fetch trained. She will retrieve but not consistently.

How about a few opinions on this practice.
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#6851899 - 08/10/17 01:24 PM Re: Force fetch [Re: reeltexan]
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I won't EVER own another dog that isn't! It is good on so many levels, even beyond the retrieve. I am currently working my nephew's FBECS through the process.

I'd say do it!

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#6852000 - 08/10/17 03:00 PM Re: Force fetch [Re: reeltexan]
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what type of dog? Is the dog not interested in retrieving or does it have low desire?? or is the dog just not bringing something back correctly? Force fetch may or may not be the answer in your situation. How old is the dog? Some dogs lose interest when the begin losing their puppy teeth. You need to answer some of these questions before we can provide a real answer for you.

The practice for FF, when done correctly, is common place with the highest level retrievers in the world. You can find great Force Fetch videos for purchase from Mike Lardy. If you want an alternative option to traditional Force Fetch, you can look for some videos by Bill Hillman on this topic. Also, if your dog just has low retrieving desire, Bill Hillman has some videos on increasing and teaching desire.


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#6852044 - 08/10/17 03:40 PM Re: Force fetch [Re: reeltexan]
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Agree ^^^^^

Force Fetch is a must for my dogs but I am not certain without further clarification if it will be what your looking for.

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#6852214 - 08/10/17 06:29 PM Re: Force fetch [Re: reeltexan]
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It was pretty simple for me.




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#6852230 - 08/10/17 06:42 PM Re: Force fetch [Re: reeltexan]
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Good ol' Bill. Thanks for the smile.


Now......
She's 11 months. She has a robust and independent nature.
She retrieves well at times but at other times is indifferent.
My other bird dogs were natural retrievers so I never have encountered this situation.
I've also heard that dogs that are forced fetched are easier to train in other areas...i.e. whoa training, etc., although her other obedience training has gone very well.

I think she is a good candidate for force fetching.

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#6852397 - 08/10/17 08:56 PM Re: Force fetch [Re: reeltexan]
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Breed?
Goals for the dog?
Target bird species?

If you decide to FF get a good reputable source or get help.

The dog's sit should be solid first

Sequence:

Hold
Ear pinch
Walking fetch
Stick fetch


I think FF is one of the most misunderstood training practices.



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#6852411 - 08/10/17 09:05 PM Re: Force fetch [Re: reeltexan]
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She's a pointer. We upland bird hunt. She already sits, heals, comes on call and will stay.
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#6852477 - 08/10/17 09:57 PM Re: Force fetch [Re: reeltexan]
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Any natural retriever can refuse to fetch. Force breaking gives control to you in all situations. It is as tough on me as it is the dog. If Buster (Field bred Cocker) ever refuses he will be force broke. I doubt he will but he could. He loves it too much and I have never had a dog with this much drive. Jury is still out on Missy but I really think once she is in a hunting situation she will be awesome. Coclers live to please you.

On a side note I force broke every English Pointer trial dog I ever had. I never paid anyone. Wear leather gloves the first week or 2.
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#6852497 - 08/10/17 10:09 PM Re: Force fetch [Re: BradyBuck]
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Originally Posted By: BradyBuck
Breed?
Goals for the dog?
Target bird species?

If you decide to FF get a good reputable source or get help.

The dog's sit should be solid

This^^^. Find a pro to help you train or do it for you, that specializes in the 3 questions above.

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#6852607 - 08/11/17 06:37 AM Re: Force fetch [Re: reeltexan]
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I would not put one through FF unless it needed it for competition. Hunting dead and finding cripples is the most important part of the equation.
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#6852760 - 08/11/17 09:13 AM Re: Force fetch [Re: reeltexan]
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Appreciate the input but I guess what I'm asking for is opinions about dogs that you have owned and force fetched, how did it work out for you?
Sometimes I have trouble accurately communicating what I'm after.
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#6852791 - 08/11/17 09:39 AM Re: Force fetch [Re: reeltexan]
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Originally Posted By: reeltexan

Appreciate the input but I guess what I'm asking for is opinions about dogs that you have owned and force fetched, how did it work out for you?
Sometimes I have trouble accurately communicating what I'm after.


I went through FF for the first time with my current dog at about 7 months old. It did nothing but increase her desire, strength our bond and teach me more about how to train her.

I believe if done incorrectly it can become a negative thing. I did not want a dog that was sulking around cowering and scared. My dog gained confidence and desire. FF clarified for her what I wanted. She just wants to know what it is I want a FF gives you the tools to make it clear and lets the dog know they only have one option and that's to do the thing you want.

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#6852924 - 08/11/17 11:42 AM Re: Force fetch [Re: reeltexan]
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Originally Posted By: reeltexan

Appreciate the input but I guess what I'm asking for is opinions about dogs that you have owned and force fetched, how did it work out for you?
Sometimes I have trouble accurately communicating what I'm after.


Force Fetch was great for my dog as well. There are no side effects if done correctly. Very simply...FF teaches a dog a way to stop the pressure, which then translates into future and more advanced training concepts with the ecollar.

HOWEVER...I have a labrador. So does BradyBuck. I have no experience or knowledge on doing FF with a Pointer and the pros/cons/side effects/future training, etc.

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#6853011 - 08/11/17 12:55 PM Re: Force fetch [Re: reeltexan]
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I totally agree with the two post above!

First dog that I had that was force fetched was a lab, after seeing the positive outcome from it I decided then that I would never own a dog that wasn't!

I did it on my Pudelpointer myself and am again pleased with the outcome! As I stated above,I am currently working an English cocker spaniel through the process, and after one week am already seeing positive results!

Go to YouTube and search for Standing Stone Kennels. They have a video series they did on it starting from the first day on the table to the last. I used these videos when I ff my pp and it worked great for me!

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