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I was just curious if any of you guys that have learned how to extend your reach past 300 yards effectively do so.

What calibers, ammunition and scopes do you prefer?

How are these guys making 600 yard shots when I can't even clearly see their targets with my shooting scope?

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Well...seeing the target is kinda important. I'd begin with better optics as a first step.


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Lots of ammo and target practice.....quality optics.......quality tuned hand loads to the specific rifle........quality ballistic app that you verify........caliber with good BC to carry sufficent energy minimum 1000ftlbs at the distance you plan to shoot.......just for starters.

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If you can scrape up the $$ contact JG Fireman here. Jason has a great and very affordable one on one class, teaching everything you will need to hit those long range shots.

What are you shooting now? Rifle, scope, ammo?

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Past 300 in a hunting situation or for targets? And how far past 300? Good glass is important but you also don't need to spend a fortune, same with your rifle. Good ammunition will make most factory guns plenty accurate to reach 500 and still hit vitals and many much further....but the biggest question, if hunting, is 'should you'? It takes a tremendous amount of skill and practice to be able to shoot game past 300, not so much when target shooting off a bench or prone.

As for specific glass, calibers, etc., that's a huge can of worms as most standard hunting calibers will reach out and do it with less magnification than many think. I would suggest to anyone that wants to learn, schedule a day with Fireman JG. Best $ you'll spend.

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What P_102 said is SO true. We watch these TV shows, showing guys and gals shooting game at 900+ yards. If you watch closely, most are gut shot, spine shot or hit in the azz. Nothing to be proud of . They are in the business of selling guns.

This being said, the rifles are high dollar customs costing $5,000+, the optics are $2500+, Range Finder $2,000+, properly chambered in the perfect calibers, 7mm LRM, 300 LRM.

300 yards is a LONG way, IDC what anyone says. Once you get to 400yards conditions start to take over, so you really need to know your gear and what your doing.

now THIS all being said, you could be trolling us and I fell for it lock, stock and barrel..... partyon555

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What are you shooting now? Rifle, scope, ammo?


Right now I what I have to use is my Remington 308 and Winchester 7mm-08. Leupold scope, VX-3 I believe, I use a variety of ammo. I target shoot with a bunch of different reloads my dad puts together for me.

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Past 300 in a hunting situation or for targets?


The is mostly for target shooting but I could see the advantage of having that "reach" capability but still keeping within a responsible range for hunting. So yes, this is specifically for target.

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And how far past 300?


I'd like to go up to 600 if possible.

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I can sit at the range and hit 300 comfortably all day but that is pretty much my limit due to optics. So I was hoping to get recommendations on gear and then the knowledge of utilizing it correctly for really reaching out.

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Either of those guns should work fine and easily reach 600 with as little as a 3x9 scope....just find the right ammunition. Chad @ Custom reloads of Dallas has very good bulk .308 or can work up an even better load for whatever caliber you want....then go see JG


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Seeing a target at 600Y, especially with a VX3 shouldn't be a difficult proposition....BTW if the target becomes smaller when you scope it, it usually means the scope is mounted backward.

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Seeing a target at 600Y, especially with a VX3 shouldn't be a difficult proposition....BTW if the target becomes smaller when you scope it, it usually means the scope is mounted backward.


I don't know how you guys do it then because I have to squint at 300Y.

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Look at the Nightforce SHV Hunting scope 5-15X50. This should clear up your squinting problem. If you rifles shoot under an inch at 100 yards, you "should" be able to hit a 8" plate at 600.

Shooting form, trigger control, breathing, etc, is SO important. If you jerk the trigger your screwed.

I would upgrade optics and replace the triggers, IF you are grouping 1" now with proper ammo.

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Originally Posted By: P_102
....but the biggest question, if hunting, is 'should you'? It takes a tremendous amount of skill and practice to be able to shoot game past 300, not so much when target shooting off a bench or prone.
Absolutely. I have 3 different rifles that I can routinely shoot 2.5 - 3 inch groups at 600 yards when shooting off a bipod with a rear bag. But no way in hell am I shooting at a deer under field conditions at that range.

So, to answer the OP's original question, you need the right equipment and enough practice to be competent.

For equipment, I want a rifle that will shoot a long/heavy bullet at a fairly high velocity into 0.5 inches or smaller at 100 yards. Then you'll need a clear and durable scope with accurate adjustments and enough magnification to see your hits at whatever distance you're shooting.

Then you'll need to practice. And going out and shooting 10 rounds isn't really practice. Think more towards 50+ rounds in a session.

The GF shooting my 260 at 500 yards last Saturday. Her first time to shoot that far, and first time to shoot this rifle. She was getting 3.5 - 4 inch groups.


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To clarify: A 3x9 is enough to see the target but not enough to see if you are hitting it (at least if you're shooting paper). That may be your problem or perhaps the wind or other conditions. Also, it's doubtful you can 'shoot small' if you're shooting different loads in the same session. P_102


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Originally Posted By: P_102
To clarify: A 3x9 is enough to see the target but not enough to see if you are hitting it (at least if you're shooting paper). That may be your problem or perhaps the wind or other conditions. Also, it's doubtful you can 'shoot small' if you're shooting different loads in the same session. P_102


Yes, I should have clarified that too. I was referring to seeing where I am hitting.

So, I guess the next question would be is what is your recommended target for being able to see your hits at 400Y+

The number 1 thing bogging me down is being able to see. I can start to figure the other stuff out if I can see where I am hitting.

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When I took Jason's class I had a SWFA fixed 10x power on my 16" 308 gas gun. I shot out to 800 with it. Although I could see the 800 yard target I couldn't see my misses. Although you need very very good glass to see misses at 800 at that range because of the shadow at 800, but even at 700 and 600 it was hard for me to see my misses with the 10x scope. Seeing the target on the other hand was very easy.


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Seeing a small target at 300 yards with a 3-9 scope isn't going to be "easy". I have a 16x SWFA scope that's perfectly clear at 300-500 and the targets are plenty big, but I haven't taken it past that yet. I imagine targets at 700 and 800 will look really small. Going to take Jason's class at some point - I think that's your best bet for learning to shoot at distance without doing it all yourself and spending a bunch of time and money learning everything from experience.

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God Bless that girl...her form may be not what I'd call "perfect" and I could not hold that position for more than 10 seconds before my hamstrings and lower back would make me sit down for an hour...LUV the shoes and could not walk 10 feet in them across a pasture...much less go check the targets ...but if it works for her then it works and thats all that counts. She's INTO the task at hand successfully too. Well Done young lady....Well Done.
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Your going to want to get a good understanding of MOA or MRAD. If your serious about it, scrounge up as much $$$$ as you can and get the right equipment. You won't be able half a$$ it if your going to be shooting out to 600 and beyond. I'm not saying its impossible to shoot at these distances with a conventional reticle but I know its a hell of alot easier with optics equipped with turrets or some type of ballistic reticle. If your planning on making LR shots on animals you owe to whatever your shooting at to to have the right equipment and to be competent at shooting the distance. There is plenty technical information on the web to educate yourself on what you need. Just putting this out there, sorry if I'm insulting your intelligence on LR shooting as this information may be obvious to you.

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His is what I have found is the minimum of what you need.

1. Good rock solid scope bases and mounts

2. Quality scope with some tracking ability either hash marks or dials that will track accurately.

SWFA 10x $299 is about as cheap as there is...there are a lot of good scopes with BDC type reticules that will get you out there with consistency .

3. Rifle and consistent ammo that will shoot around MOA (1 inch at 100 yards)

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To clarify: A 3x9 is enough to see the target but not enough to see if you are hitting it (at least if you're shooting paper). That may be your problem or perhaps the wind or other conditions. Also, it's doubtful you can 'shoot small' if you're shooting different loads in the same session. P_102


Yes, I should have clarified that too. I was referring to seeing where I am hitting.

So, I guess the next question would be is what is your recommended target for being able to see your hits at 400Y+

The number 1 thing bogging me down is being able to see. I can start to figure the other stuff out if I can see where I am hitting.


Buy the biggest 18" Shoot n see target. You still will not see hits at 9X. maybe a Big steel plate painted white, have a friend "spot" for you with as much glass as you got. He may be able to call your shot.,

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The best targets for shooting distance, IMHO, are steel and painted white. You chip off 1+ inches of paint, making it much easier to see your hits. It would be pretty rare to see paper hits at 500+ even with the best scopes (at least for me). You could also hang large targets with a center dot and then drive (hopefully) down to your target and check, then adjust accordingly, I've done this many times. P_102


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....but the biggest question, if hunting, is 'should you'? It takes a tremendous amount of skill and practice to be able to shoot game past 300, not so much when target shooting off a bench or prone.
Absolutely. I have 3 different rifles that I can routinely shoot 2.5 - 3 inch groups at 600 yards when shooting off a bipod with a rear bag. But no way in hell am I shooting at a deer under field conditions at that range.

So, to answer the OP's original question, you need the right equipment and enough practice to be competent.

For equipment, I want a rifle that will shoot a long/heavy bullet at a fairly high velocity into 0.5 inches or smaller at 100 yards. Then you'll need a clear and durable scope with accurate adjustments and enough magnification to see your hits at whatever distance you're shooting.

Then you'll need to practice. And going out and shooting 10 rounds isn't really practice. Think more towards 50+ rounds in a session.

The GF shooting my 260 at 500 yards last Saturday. Her first time to shoot that far, and first time to shoot this rifle. She was getting 3.5 - 4 inch groups.



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Pony up the 1 on 1 training day at Jason's so that you can understand the whys & wherefor's of the necessary equipment needed to reliably reach 600+ yards consistently... anything less than that...IMO you are taking nothing but Wish Shots that are NOT a repeatable occurence. It ain't bragin' if you can repeat the shot..it's SKILL talking.

The 1st half of the days training is chalk talk that goes into enough detail I'm told that it make the rest of the day understandable....and how & why to make the correct alterations when you are not as successful as you think you should be. Knowledge is Power.

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Originally Posted By: WileyCoyote
God Bless that girl...her form may be not what I'd call "perfect" and I could not hold that position for more than 10 seconds before my hamstrings and lower back would make me sit down for an hour...LUV the shoes and could not walk 10 feet in them across a pasture...much less go check the targets ...but if it works for her then it works and thats all that counts. She's INTO the task at hand successfully too. Well Done young lady....Well Done.
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