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#6846075 - 08/05/17 05:26 AM Why the AR is good?..... Opinions don't mean much. Facts on the other hand..
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in a nut shell.....


Intresting article and typical of his writing style which I enjoy immensly.

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I first met Randy on a Pheasant hunt in the late 70's and I've had a heck of a lot of respct for the man ever sine, particular his no-nonsense approach to honesty in an industry rife with paid infomercials and "reviews" clevery disguided as a blog or magazine article. When it comes to firearms, marketing is king. There's occcaisional nuggets of gold, though too much is fools gold. There's WAY junk sold with premium branding. SBE3 is the latest on my list of "WTF was I thinking".

Randy doesn't pump sunshine..... you can take his advice to the bank. All the years I've know him, he's been spot on. And shot darn near every firearm in the huntin and clay market that I'm aware of. He aint no internet expert for damn sure. And is websire is a goldmine of information. He knws more abot shotguns and shotgun ammo than the factory reps I know from being a long time attendee of SHOT.

www.randywakeman.com

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The Attack on the Second Amendment Continues

Although the Supreme Court made clear that the 2nd Amendment is an individual right, not a privilege and not a collective right, some states (recently, Maryland) and some Federal appeals courts still cannot comprehend it. The 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled 10-4 to uphold the state's (Maryland) ban on assault weapons Tuesday, overturning the ruling of a three-judge panel that had ruled against it a year ago.

The United States Army, the largest branch of the U.S. Military, in 2015, dropped below 500,000 active soldiers for the first time in 10 years. Semi-automatic rifles are not by the United States in war. The M4 has been in service since 1994. The M4 is capable of firing in semi-automatic and three round burst modes (like the M16A2 and M16A4), while the M4A1 is capable of firing in semi-auto and fully automatic modes (like the M16A1 and M16A3). To be an assault rifle, the firearm must have selective fire: full auto or a burst mode. The Supreme Court held in McDonald v. City of Chicago that the Second Amendment applies to state and local governments in addition to the federal government.

The right does not extend to machine guns: it protects arms in common use, not phasers or photon torpedoes. In what is also obvious, the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is a right to arms that can be carried (“bear”) by an individual, not arms that require teams or squads to operate.

What is obvious to anyone that can possibly detect the obvious is that the Armalite rifle is a civilian semi-automatic rifle in common use: very, very, common as dirt use. Right now, over 5,000,000 AR-15's are owned by United States civilians.

United States citizens own over 10 times the amount of Armalite rifles today than we so much as have active soldiers in the Regular Army. They are used for hunting, target practice, and self-defense. Civilian police officers use AR-15 rifles more than any other rifle, for the defense of self and others. That's precisely how many of the 5 million Armalite rifles are used: for the lawful defense of self and others. For from being “assault rifles” or weapons of war, the opposite is true. They are anti-assault rifles owned and used almost entirely by civilians in the United States.

The Armalite semi-automatic rifle can be the ideal home defense arm, easy to use for women, senior citizens, and most everyone: with moderate recoil, and far greater accuracy than possible from a handgun. It is a far better threat deterrent than any handgun or shotgun, and is simply a better tool for the legal defense of self and others than most platforms. The persons who have the most need for 30 round magazines are those who would have great difficulty changing a magazine — such as elderly persons or persons with disabilities. Although one can change magazines, persons being attacked by criminals will typically prefer not to spend any time under immediate, inescapable threat of hearth, home, and life to do so.

In 2014, according to the FBI, 660 murders were committed unarmed, 1,567 were committed with knives and only 248 murders were known to have been committed using rifles of any type.

The role of government is to protect Constitutional Rights, not to steal them.

Copyright 2017 by Randy Wakeman. All Rights Reserved.


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Edited by aerangis (08/05/17 05:31 AM)
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#6846123 - 08/05/17 07:41 AM Re: Why the AR is good?..... Opinions don't mean much. Facts on the other hand.. [Re: aerangis]
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I have nothing against ARs and they clearly fall under 2nd Amendment protections. A semi-auto is a semi-auto is a semi-auto - no matter its appearance. Folks should have the right to own them for whatever reason they want to own them - just because they want one. No need to have a reason. I own one just because I like to shoot it every now and again.

That said, whether they are the best self defense weapon - better than a handgun or shotgun- is a subject for debate. A debate that is 1)not really necessary to justify why ARs should remain legal and 2)leads to what I consider to be largely unnecessary stuff like arguing "elderly people need them and 30 round magazines because they have a hard time changing magazines". That's kinda silly. In fact, it sounds a lot like the "hyperbole" Randy says others engage in (which they do, of course). No need to be on their level.

I would venture to say 99+% of the self defense weapon owners (young and old alike) don't use or feel the need to have ARs with 30 round magazines for that purpose.
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#6846181 - 08/05/17 09:00 AM Re: Why the AR is good?..... Opinions don't mean much. Facts on the other hand.. [Re: aerangis]
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These are both good and valid statements, need a 30rd mag..eh..I trimmed mine down to 6. Only cuz they are cerakoted to match the rifles. What I really use is the 10rd. If you can't hit it with 10 maybe you should go back to a single shot and learn. Besides the 10rd is much more compact and easy to use. Now as to the "semi-auto" what about the Rem 7600 and others? It all boils down to a political agenda buy the #^**% left. Enough rant, sorry.
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#6846217 - 08/05/17 09:31 AM Re: Why the AR is good?..... Opinions don't mean much. Facts on the other hand.. [Re: aerangis]
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Yes, of course opinions vary on the subject, and I don't engage in debates about the "best" of anything. Far too many circumstances with countless variables. Your 99+% number may be statistically correct because "most people" live in high density population areas.

Self defense is a broad term but AR's are a typical "go to" self defense weapon around here. Grabbing a standard capacity AR on the way out the door to investigate an intruder is typical in my area. Perhaps that does fall within the only 1% nationwide, but clearly not in my narrow field of view - which is the only thing that I am interested in.

What 99% of people choose, carries no weight in determining the value of a tool.

Respectfully,
Marc


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#6846228 - 08/05/17 09:41 AM Re: Why the AR is good?..... Opinions don't mean much. Facts on the other hand.. [Re: aerangis]
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Not sure I'd like to fire a standard AR inside the house. A suppressed SBR would be more appealing.

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#6846238 - 08/05/17 09:54 AM Re: Why the AR is good?..... Opinions don't mean much. Facts on the other hand.. [Re: Kevin1]
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Originally Posted By: Kevin1
Not sure I'd like to fire a standard AR inside the house. A suppressed SBR would be more appealing.

No worse than a 12 gage.....if I have the need to fire a firearm inside the house.....noise would be way down the list of my concerns......
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#6846249 - 08/05/17 10:10 AM Re: Why the AR is good?..... Opinions don't mean much. Facts on the other hand.. [Re: aerangis]
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30 round mag in the AR-15 and 20 round mag in the AR-10 really only get "used" for one thing in my activities. And that is lined up on an entire sounder of hogs. I will keep shooting until they've all died or disappeared into the brush.

There's also the miniscule chance of a hoard of crazy people to "deal with". My bet is, in my life that won't happen to me, but if it does, I'm prepared.
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#6846263 - 08/05/17 10:26 AM Re: Why the AR is good?..... Opinions don't mean much. Facts on the other hand.. [Re: SnakeWrangler]
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Originally Posted By: SnakeWrangler
Originally Posted By: Kevin1
Not sure I'd like to fire a standard AR inside the house. A suppressed SBR would be more appealing.

No worse than a 12 gage.....if I have the need to fire a firearm inside the house.....noise would be way down the list of my concerns......


You are absolutely correct... Just like recoil under duress. Later on you might say "WTF was I thinking" but at that moment you pull the trigger it is tunnel vision.
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#6846264 - 08/05/17 10:29 AM Re: Why the AR is good?..... Opinions don't mean much. Facts on the other hand.. [Re: aerangis]
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Does anyone make a 100 round mag for the AR-15? Go big or stay home.
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#6846333 - 08/05/17 11:31 AM Re: Why the AR is good?..... Opinions don't mean much. Facts on the other hand.. [Re: aerangis]
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I don't own an AR personally, but I have to admit that they are fun to shoot. Just about every one of my shooting buddies own one or two so I just shoot thiers.
There is a fella that I work with who is from India. He loves to argue to anyone that will engage him that no one "needs" an AR. I tell him that no one "needs" to justify to you why they need an AR. If it is legally owned, and safely used, it's none of his damn business. If he has a problem with that, there are planes that leave every day and he's welcome to jump on one. He doesn't like that response.


Edited by Palehorse (08/05/17 11:32 AM)
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#6846396 - 08/05/17 12:53 PM Re: Why the AR is good?..... Opinions don't mean much. Facts on the other hand.. [Re: Palehorse]
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Originally Posted By: Palehorse
I don't own an AR personally, but I have to admit that they are fun to shoot. Just about every one of my shooting buddies own one or two so I just shoot thiers.
There is a fella that I work with who is from India. He loves to argue to anyone that will engage him that no one "needs" an AR. I tell him that no one "needs" to justify to you why they need an AR. If it is legally owned, and safely used, it's none of his damn business. If he has a problem with that, there are planes that leave every day and he's welcome to jump on one. He doesn't like that response.


I had a guy like that at work too...I fired him!
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#6846407 - 08/05/17 01:01 PM Re: Why the AR is good?..... Opinions don't mean much. Facts on the other hand.. [Re: TXGUNNER308]
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Originally Posted By: TXGUNNER308
Originally Posted By: Palehorse
I don't own an AR personally, but I have to admit that they are fun to shoot. Just about every one of my shooting buddies own one or two so I just shoot thiers.
There is a fella that I work with who is from India. He loves to argue to anyone that will engage him that no one "needs" an AR. I tell him that no one "needs" to justify to you why they need an AR. If it is legally owned, and safely used, it's none of his damn business. If he has a problem with that, there are planes that leave every day and he's welcome to jump on one. He doesn't like that response.


I had a guy like that at work too...I fired him!
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#6846492 - 08/05/17 03:03 PM Re: Why the AR is good?..... Opinions don't mean much. Facts on the other hand.. [Re: blackcoal]
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Does anyone make a 100 round mag for the AR-15? Go big or stay home.



get some

http://www.surefire.com/mag5-100.html
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#6846534 - 08/05/17 03:57 PM Re: Why the AR is good?..... Opinions don't mean much. Facts on the other hand.. [Re: Payne]
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Originally Posted By: Payne
Originally Posted By: blackcoal
Does anyone make a 100 round mag for the AR-15? Go big or stay home.



get some

http://www.surefire.com/mag5-100.html


Oh yea, they work great but a pain to load.
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#6846538 - 08/05/17 04:02 PM Re: Why the AR is good?..... Opinions don't mean much. Facts on the other hand.. [Re: aerangis]
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randy wakeman is a know it all who hangs out on the shotgun forum, trolls and argues with whoever doesn't kiss his azz and bow down to his self proclaimed greatness..


there is not a damn thing wrong with the SBE III
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