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Help with arrows/head weights?
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07/27/17 01:33 PM
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Rickybobby8
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I want to make sure I'm looking at this right. I have a diamond deploy (70lb model) being delivered.
27 inch draw Tuning down to 60lbs (off hand, dominate eye). Thinking no need to shoot 70lbs first year. Let arm build up more strength, more practice without getting tired as fast.
If I am reading the sheets right a 400 arrow and 100 grain broad head should be a good starting point.
Am I reading the charts right?
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Re: Help with arrows/head weights?
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07/27/17 01:34 PM
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IBO speed (at 70 I'm sure) 330 fps.
Sorry new to all this
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Re: Help with arrows/head weights?
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07/27/17 10:29 PM
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Yep, sounds about right. Who's setting the bow up for you? They should be able to give you all the info you need to get started.
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Re: Help with arrows/head weights?
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07/28/17 03:18 AM
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Really don't know of many archery shops. If anyone knows of a trusted source in Katy/West Houston that would be good.
The bow will come with the rak option...so everything should be installed. Which is good because I have no idea how to install a peep sight
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Re: Help with arrows/head weights?
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07/28/17 10:06 AM
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Installed but not necessarily to fit you, the peep will most likely be needing moving and tied in as well as indexed. the rest might or might not be in the correct position but you can tune that in with paper, walk-back or French tuning. There are some good youtube videos on those tuning methods.
Three are some good bow shops in the Houston area but the names and locations I have not omitted to memory.
As for poundage 60 is plenty with that bow for taking whitetail or pretty much anything else
The 330 FPS is IBO ans is with full max poundage and draw length with a 350gr arrow which is ver light for a hunting arrow.
As to arrows 400 spine are good at that length for 60 pounds up to about 65 with your draw length. 340 spine should be ok and needed for 70 lbs. That is with Easton, Beamon or Gold tip way of measuring spine or 250 then 350 for Carbon express
lf the saying "Liar, Liar your pants on fire" were true Mainstream news might be fun to watch
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Re: Help with arrows/head weights?
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07/28/17 01:12 PM
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Thank you. I have some arrows that are 350 already, just because I got a good deal on them (less than $4 each for new carbon express pile driver extreme pass though). Figured if they don't work well, it was a very small investment. I'm ordering 400 spines today. Thinking of ordering the Easton 6mm bloodlines or the Easton bowfire maybe.
Anyone ever used the Easton FMJs? They seem interesting...but not sure of them.
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Re: Help with arrows/head weights?
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07/28/17 04:37 PM
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Esaton FMJ are good arrows as are bloodlines and bowfires. Your CE pile drivers are about the same weight as FMJ but the FMJ are smaller diameter and will wind drift less and penetrate more.
lf the saying "Liar, Liar your pants on fire" were true Mainstream news might be fun to watch
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Re: Help with arrows/head weights?
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07/28/17 11:39 PM
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I shoot a 70 lb iceman with 390 grain arrows and a 27" draw.
i'm getting 284 fps.
I like 100 grain rocket sidewinders but the 100 grain wasp jackhammers are my new favorites since rocket went out of business
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: Help with arrows/head weights?
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08/03/17 02:30 AM
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West Houston Archery is a great shop on the West side off of belt way 8.
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Re: Help with arrows/head weights?
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08/03/17 08:44 PM
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Rickybobby, My two cents...
I would suggest that heavier arrows are better than speed in most cases. It would be informative to visit the grizzlystik website and hear them make the case. If you believe their logic, then the bigger question becomes, which spine is best for your setup.
Any arrow will kill a whitetail with correct shot placement. If you ever make an imperfect shot, hunt larger game, have a twig get in your way, want to shoot through the shield of a big hog etc, you will be glad you have a heavy, pile driving arrow that busts through bone and anything else that gets in the way,
I have moved to a 650 grain arrow and 200 grain broad head. They move slower, my bow is much quieter because the heavy arrow is absorbing more energy and the results of these heavy arrows speak for themselves.
You will find plenty of folks that are happy with their lighter setup, for good reasons. Judge for yourself...
Hope this is helpful.
Lou
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Re: Help with arrows/head weights?
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08/03/17 11:42 PM
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X2 BigLou, I also like a heavy arrow ,Easton 20/20arrow, 175 grain VPA 3 blade solid broadhead , razor sharp, 630 grain total weight. Momentum is what I want not speed, quiet bow. Forrest
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Re: Help with arrows/head weights?
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08/04/17 03:03 AM
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I want accuracy more than anything else.
I'm kind of leaning toward the 390 spine 6mm FMJ.
From what I read they have pretty good energy.
Just need to figure out if they shoot better with 100 or 125.
And muzzy or rage. Fixed or mechanical.
Too many choices
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Re: Help with arrows/head weights?
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08/04/17 10:35 AM
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I've shot a 100 grain head since 2004 on my compounds. I've found the Rage heads to be very effective but that doesn't mean you can get away with not properly tuning your bow or not making accurate shots into the vitals. I shoot a 175 grain head on my recurve.
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Re: Help with arrows/head weights?
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08/04/17 10:26 PM
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West Houston Archery is a great shop on the West side off of belt way 8. RickyBobby8, all great info here but really, head over to this pro shop when all your gear gets here. I'm sure these guys can set your peep and install your "D" loop. You will learn a TON !!! Usually the "BOX" stores RE; Academy, don't know jack about setting up a archery outfit properly, "WE" are luck here in my area, KMON1 is the pro at the Allen Cabela's and know his stuff !!
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Re: Help with arrows/head weights?
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08/04/17 11:44 PM
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Yes go to a good pro shop and get the bow tuned and fitted to YOU, that is your first step. Forrest
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Re: Help with arrows/head weights?
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08/05/17 01:01 AM
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The Deploy bows are easy for a good tech to tune and setup. The deploy is a solid carbon riser dual binary cam bow basically a Bowtech carbon knight with the diamond name on it. Make sure your tech sets center shot and the shop Buzz listed will have the paper tune option. Get that done but make sure it is with you shooting. We all torque bows a little differently. Paper tuning isn't hard after you have done a few it is easy
lf the saying "Liar, Liar your pants on fire" were true Mainstream news might be fun to watch
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Re: Help with arrows/head weights?
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08/05/17 02:42 AM
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I was hoping it would be in today so I could take it down Saturday. Hopefully it will be in next week. I need all the practice I can get.
I still have my right handed bow. Don't know if I should take that down also. If I keep it as a backup shooting with the ole pirate patch (only way I can shoot it). Or I guess I could sell it or trade it for something.
The arrows I kind of wanted to order because I don't know how long they will take to get in. Same with the broad heads.
From most thing I have read the first upgrades should be arrow rest and sight. But I think the stock RAK can get me through year one.
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Re: Help with arrows/head weights?
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08/05/17 08:39 PM
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I started out with the RAK package as well and it served me really well considering the very low initial price. I upgraded to a drop away rest after a year and a spot hog sight a while later. Archery equipment is expensive! You can easily spend more on bolt ones than you spent on your whole initial setup so it is nice to be able to do it a little at a time.
I shoot a Diamond Dead Eye with an IBO of 342 fps. I shoot 30" draw length 400 grain arrow, pull 68 lbs (there is a world of difference on my bow between 68lbs and the max weight which actually measures out to 74lbs on a scale) and my real speed is 299-302fps per chronograph. The number one thing that effects speed is draw length and there isn't really anything you can do to change that.
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Re: Help with arrows/head weights?
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08/06/17 12:53 AM
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My draw might actually be longer, but not to much. The way I measured is not the same as some videos I've seen.
I'll shoot the full 70 lbs next year. This first year I want to get as much practice in as possible in a limited time. So thinking 60lb would be better to start with. More shots before arm gets tired.
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Re: Help with arrows/head weights?
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08/06/17 04:07 AM
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When your bow is setup to fit you will know your length since all measurement methods can be off a little but setting up with the bow is best. Setup a guy this evening with one that had been setup at another shop and got him to do a few changes to form. shortened his draw length 1 inch and moved his peep sight up the string about 2 inches in the string. Got him to hitting a more solid repeatable anchor point then gave him the same instructions I give most. Practice with purpose, by that I mean to pay attention to every little detail of the shot. Grip, anchor, breathing, sight alignment, release... follow through. If it doesn't feel right in practice let down and shake it off and try again. Get it to where grip, anchor, aiming are all automatic.
Analogy to a Pro golfer will take longer to hit a small bucket than many amateur hitting a large bucket. Why if it doesn't feel or look right they will back off and repeat until it feels right before finishing the shot.
Practice to ingrain muscle memory but when getting tired back off and take a little break, because if you keep pushing it bad habits will start creeping in and you only reinforce them if practicing them.
Had another guy in fairly new shooter that has an elk trip in late September worked on his grip today and got another bad habit hopefully corrected.
For poundage you want to shoot a poundage that is very comfortable and easy to pull back seated. Think about it nice cool morning sitting in a blind for 3 hours muscles stiff and a little cool, that bow will be a lot harder to draw smooth for your shot if it is at a comfortable poundage. You should use a poundage for hunting you can draw comfortably from a sitting position without going through undue movements like sky draw. The difference with todays bows at 60 and 70 lbs is in many cases how far the broadhead is stuck in something on the other side of the deer
lf the saying "Liar, Liar your pants on fire" were true Mainstream news might be fun to watch
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Re: Help with arrows/head weights?
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08/14/17 10:10 PM
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I prefer Easton Axis 400gr because they are thinner. Less drag and deviation from the elements and deep pass-thru penetration. I also use Rage 2 blade broad heads, they fly true and accurate.
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