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Managed Lands Deer Program
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07/26/17 07:49 PM
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Flynt
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I'm looking at buying about 40 acres in East Texas for rifle hunting, and I'd like to take advantage of the MLDP program, especially since the only time you can take does with a rifle is over Thanksgiving. (I'm a meat hunter.) A page on the TPWD website estimates bag limits if you draw a map on the property, and it estimated limits at zero for all categories. Ouch! Should I rely on the website and conclude that I'd be limited to the standard bag limits -- one buck, one spike buck, and two does over Thanksgiving weekend. Any guidance would be appreciated. Thanks.
Last edited by Flynt; 07/26/17 09:10 PM. Reason: New Information
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
[Re: Flynt]
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07/27/17 12:18 AM
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Trash Fish and Cull Bucks
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Sounds like the county regs is the only option (40 acres isn't really enough acreage to sustain a high deer harvest). But, don't forget about the archery season, youth seasons, and the muzzleloader season. You can shoot does during any these times (if you bowhunt, have youth hunters, or muzzleloader hunt).
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
[Re: Flynt]
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07/27/17 12:18 AM
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Serbin
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They will probably tell you that you can only shoot one deer or maybe zero. This program is usually for large properties(high fence usually). I would stay away from it if I were you and a meat hunter. But how many deer are you looking to take on 40 acres?
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
[Re: Serbin]
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07/27/17 12:33 AM
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Two a season. I can take a 13.5" buck, a spike, and two does with a rifle. I can only shoot does over Thanksgiving weekend, so I wouldn't have much flexibility.
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
[Re: Flynt]
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07/27/17 12:48 AM
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What county is the property? If you have a muzzle loader season that gives you two weeks to kill does. Of course you can kill does during archery season.
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
[Re: Russ79]
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07/27/17 12:51 AM
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Flynt
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What county is the property? If you have a muzzle loader season that gives you two weeks to kill does. Of course you can kill does during archery season. You're right, but I'm a rifleman, and too old to learn new tricks. Thanks.
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
[Re: Flynt]
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07/27/17 01:18 AM
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You shouldn't be looking into MLD you don't need it. Sounds like you already shoot more than is sustainable for 40 acres. MLD is for folks that can't get enough deer shot.
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
[Re: Flynt]
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07/27/17 01:23 AM
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Serbin
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Why would you want to take that many deer on 40 acres?
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
[Re: Serbin]
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07/27/17 01:49 AM
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I must be missing something. I don't understand the issue here, or I didn't explain myself clearly. I'm just talking about a total of 2 deer a season. There are hundreds of wooded acres all around the property, so I assume that a lot of deer range in the area and would move in and out of that property. Why would you want to take that many deer on 40 acres?
Last edited by Flynt; 07/27/17 01:55 AM.
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
[Re: Flynt]
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07/27/17 02:10 AM
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We were on the LAMPS program since 2009 and only got one doe tag for the whole property every year, 260 acres mostly wooded with large properties on three sides. We can also each shoot a buck over 13" and a spike. Only my son and I hunt it so it was never a big deal, we only shot one doe all those years. What confuses me is now we can each shoot two does during the doe days so we could take four per year when its always been just one in prior years. We decided not to participate in either of the new programs and just hunt according to the regulations in the book because we were afraid they might not let us each take a buck.
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
[Re: Flynt]
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07/27/17 02:23 AM
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Not sure how many counties are involved but some counties now have an extended doe season with up to 15 days. You might have more days to hunt than you think to hunt.
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
[Re: Flynt]
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07/27/17 02:25 AM
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I would say 2 deer a year sounds great. Enjoy owning your own property. Good luck
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
[Re: Flynt]
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07/27/17 12:19 PM
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There is a minimum acreage for the new MLDP. I am not sure what it is but a friend of mine has 89 acres and he did not have enough. My neighbor has 325 and the automated system showed he could harvest 1 doe and zero bucks. Like stated above it's for large acreage.
Not sure what county this property is in but the regs in most counties In east TX says this: "antlerless deer may be taken without permits from opening day through the Sunday immediately following Thanksgiving Day..."---meaning doe can be harvested from the beginning of rifle season (the first weekend in Nov ) through Thanksgiving weekend.
As stated above you can also harvest doe with archery equip during archery season, youth can harvest with rifles on youth weekends and doe can be harvested with a muzzle loader during muzzle loader season in January.
I hope this clarifies some things.
Good luck!
Last edited by slippinaround; 07/27/17 12:28 PM.
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
[Re: Flynt]
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07/27/17 03:25 PM
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A page on the TPWD website estimates bag limits if you draw a map on the property, Could you provide a link to that page? thank you
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
[Re: JJH]
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07/27/17 06:33 PM
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A page on the TPWD website estimates bag limits if you draw a map on the property, Could you provide a link to that page? thank you https://lma.tpwd.state.tx.us/
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
[Re: Flynt]
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07/27/17 06:34 PM
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I just received an email from the lead TWPD biologist for that area. He confirmed that there was no minimum acreage requirement, but that it would be unlikely that I would get any permits under the program.
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
[Re: Flynt]
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07/27/17 08:16 PM
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I just received an email from the lead TWPD biologist for that area. He confirmed that there was no minimum acreage requirement, but that it would be unlikely that I would get any permits under the program. The info I was given was back in March---I guess it has changed since then. I do recall that my neighbor with the 89 acres was given the option to have TPWD set up a management plan for him but permits would not be issued due to not enough acreage.
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
[Re: Flynt]
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07/27/17 08:58 PM
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Being that your a meat hunter MLD would not be helpful to your goals for the property.
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
[Re: JJH]
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07/28/17 01:00 AM
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A page on the TPWD website estimates bag limits if you draw a map on the property, Could you provide a link to that page? thank you thanks
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
[Re: Flynt]
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07/28/17 02:50 PM
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I have hunted mld twice. The state gives him tags for each one of his 5 sections of his ranch. One that is 650 acres, has about 30 buck and 20 doe tags. He always thinks tpwd tells him to take too many. I don't think he has ever used all the tags.
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
[Re: Flynt]
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07/28/17 05:13 PM
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I thought your intent was clear just looking for more opportunity to kill a doe or two.
Reality is you aint getting MLD for that property. You need to just erase that from your brain and either know you may not get that opportunity or pick up a bow or a muzzle loader. That whole can't teach and old dog new tricks is hog wash. Heck just buy a cross bow. It's virtually like hunting with a 30/30. Things are crazy accurate.
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
[Re: Flynt]
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07/28/17 06:05 PM
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I hunt on a MLD property and honestly it's not that great of a deal. The landowner wants Mature bucks shot, the wildlife biologist says we need to shoot culls, however, he only issues enough tags for each lease holder to get 1 buck tag. They base the numbers on night surveys conducted in August from ranch roads. They don't look at any feeders or in any food plots. It's kind of stupid. They'll see 10 deer on our 1000 ac during a survey while I can see 30 in the field I hunt on every night. About the only think the MLD is good for is that it allows us to rifle hunt from opening day of bow season to February 28th. I know of places that get a ton of tags, but it has never worked out that way for us.
Keith
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
[Re: BigBucky2014]
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07/28/17 11:19 PM
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I hunt on a MLD property and honestly it's not that great of a deal. The landowner wants Mature bucks shot, the wildlife biologist says we need to shoot culls, however, he only issues enough tags for each lease holder to get 1 buck tag. They base the numbers on night surveys conducted in August from ranch roads. They don't look at any feeders or in any food plots. It's kind of stupid. They'll see 10 deer on our 1000 ac during a survey while I can see 30 in the field I hunt on every night. About the only think the MLD is good for is that it allows us to rifle hunt from opening day of bow season to February 28th. I know of places that get a ton of tags, but it has never worked out that way for us.
Keith How many buck tags are you getting on 1000 acres?
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
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07/28/17 11:21 PM
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I have hunted mld twice. The state gives him tags for each one of his 5 sections of his ranch. One that is 650 acres, has about 30 buck and 20 doe tags. He always thinks tpwd tells him to take too many. I don't think he has ever used all the tags. Take too many for what?
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Re: Managed Lands Deer Program
[Re: Flynt]
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07/28/17 11:58 PM
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Of course deer density, available forage and predators on that property make the difference. In the same week we met with tpwd, one 2300 acre ranch got 140 tags for 70 bucks and 70 does. The other property 1500 acres they said you can have 2 buck tags. Well it was decided one ranch we were good with MLD and the other we declined. Totally different area but both high fences. This was 15 plus yrs ago. If you are east of I-35 I would not even consider being a MLD property.
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