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#6834925 - 07/26/17 01:34 PM What Rifle to take for Elk/Black Bear
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.257 wby with 110 grain accubonds

.270 with 140 grain fail safes

7mm rem with 160 grain partition

out of all the rifles I like the .257 accumark the best, but its a heavier gun and although I have talked to several people who use it to shoot elk with no problems, i'm not entirely convinced its the one to take since I have two bigger rounds available.....even though on paper its over the .270 at all distances and within a few hundred ft. lbs of the 7mm mag
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#6834940 - 07/26/17 01:47 PM Re: What Rifle to take for Elk/Black Bear [Re: txtrophy85]
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More bullet weight, the better. If I'm looking at simply energy and bullet weight on target, I'm going 7 Mag then 270. But which one do you shoot better? I'd go with the one you feel you can shoot better. A 257 Wby or 270 Win is a better choice with a good shot placement, than a 7 Mag with bad shot placement.
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#6834945 - 07/26/17 01:49 PM Re: What Rifle to take for Elk/Black Bear [Re: txtrophy85]
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Either of the last two. I'd take the last one. If you're not scared of recoil or have some other issue with it, why not take it?

Whatever the numbers say re: KE, ft. lbs. and whatnot - more lead is better for an elk. You don't want to use a 110 grain bullet.
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#6834946 - 07/26/17 01:49 PM Re: What Rifle to take for Elk/Black Bear [Re: txtrophy85]
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7mm with the 160 gr A-Frame IMO, any will do the job, but 7mm would be my choice. I usually take my 7mm Ultra with 175gr A-Frame afield for elk.

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#6834959 - 07/26/17 02:02 PM Re: What Rifle to take for Elk/Black Bear [Re: ChadTRG42]
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Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
More bullet weight, the better. If I'm looking at simply energy and bullet weight on target, I'm going 7 Mag then 270. But which one do you shoot better? I'd go with the one you feel you can shoot better. A 257 Wby or 270 Win is a better choice with a good shot placement, than a 7 Mag with bad shot placement.



honestly I shoot all them about the same. the .257 is an accumark, synthetic stock, stainless etc. better suited for snow. my .270 is a ruger m77 that is a "deer rifle" in about every sense. its what I carried last time.

I have hunted with my 7mm just a few times....like 2 or 3. Killed an axis with it a week after I got it and put it in the safe and haven't touched it. Beautiful A-bolt Medallion LH with a 26" barrel I picked up used in a trade.


honestly....I just like the accumark that much better....trying to justify bringing it but I know its the worst choice of the 3
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#6834985 - 07/26/17 02:26 PM Re: What Rifle to take for Elk/Black Bear [Re: txtrophy85]
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I'd take a 257 weatherby with 110 accubonds over the 270 with 140 fail safes. There's a reason they discontinued the fail safes. They had a problem expanding and put holes like a fmj through animals. Saw an elk on a canned hunt shot 10 times with a 300 wm with 180 fail safes and it didn't drop (all shots were in the chest). Ran out of bullets and they had to take a kids 243 with 100 grain soft points to finish the elk.

If you limit your shots to 200-300 yard shots the 257 will work fine.

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#6834989 - 07/26/17 02:31 PM Re: What Rifle to take for Elk/Black Bear [Re: txtrophy85]
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Bear may be the bigger concern. An elk may run off and fall over dead, but you'll find it.

If a bear starts gnawing on your skull, you'll wish you had a big gun.

According to my friend I hunted with who lives in Southern Colorado, there are some areas where the bears have learned that a rifle shot equals dinner time and run to the sound of a shot looking for downed animals or gut piles. He has his family mostly using 243's or 308's for elk, but he carries a 300 Win Mag with Partitions because of the bear problem, especially while working on the downed elk or deer in the earlier seasons.


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#6834995 - 07/26/17 02:37 PM Re: What Rifle to take for Elk/Black Bear [Re: jeffbird]
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Originally Posted By: jeffbird
Bear may be the bigger concern. An elk may run off and fall over dead, but you'll find it.

If a bear starts gnawing on your skull, you'll wish you had a big gun.

According to my friend I hunted with who lives in Southern Colorado, there are some areas where the bears have learned that a rifle shot equals dinner time and run to the sound of a shot looking for downed animals or gut piles. He has his family mostly using 243's or 308's for elk, but he carries a 300 Win Mag with Partitions because of the bear problem, especially while working on the downed elk or deer in the earlier seasons.



i'm not really all that concerned about a black bear. they are only a few hundred pounds not the 600 lb monsters you see on the east coast and Canada.


I know a lot of locals use a .243....but I don't have the opportunity to hunt all season long. need to hedge my bets a little bit
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#6834998 - 07/26/17 02:38 PM Re: What Rifle to take for Elk/Black Bear [Re: txtrophy85]
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7 Rem Mag, and I wouldn't give it a second thought.

If I couldn't put bullets where they go with that, I'd figure out what was wrong and correct it.
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#6835052 - 07/26/17 03:36 PM Re: What Rifle to take for Elk/Black Bear [Re: jeffbird]
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Originally Posted By: jeffbird
Bear may be the bigger concern. An elk may run off and fall over dead, but you'll find it.

If a bear starts gnawing on your skull, you'll wish you had a big gun.

According to my friend I hunted with who lives in Southern Colorado, there are some areas where the bears have learned that a rifle shot equals dinner time and run to the sound of a shot looking for downed animals or gut piles. He has his family mostly using 243's or 308's for elk, but he carries a 300 Win Mag with Partitions because of the bear problem, especially while working on the downed elk or deer in the earlier seasons.



A 308 would put down a black bear just fine at close range. I think your friends trying to justify carrying a bigger gun.

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#6835060 - 07/26/17 03:43 PM Re: What Rifle to take for Elk/Black Bear [Re: HCHunter28]
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Originally Posted By: HCHunter28
Originally Posted By: jeffbird
Bear may be the bigger concern. An elk may run off and fall over dead, but you'll find it.

If a bear starts gnawing on your skull, you'll wish you had a big gun.

According to my friend I hunted with who lives in Southern Colorado, there are some areas where the bears have learned that a rifle shot equals dinner time and run to the sound of a shot looking for downed animals or gut piles. He has his family mostly using 243's or 308's for elk, but he carries a 300 Win Mag with Partitions because of the bear problem, especially while working on the downed elk or deer in the earlier seasons.



A 308 would put down a black bear just fine at close range. I think your friends trying to justify carrying a bigger gun.


He was a federal game warden for 30 years. He was actually attacked by a bear and shot it at point blank range, which probably changed his thinking some.


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#6835066 - 07/26/17 03:47 PM Re: What Rifle to take for Elk/Black Bear [Re: txtrophy85]
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I had the same Accumark. I wouldn't want to carry that beast hiking in steep terrain. The caliber doesn't scare me for either animal though.
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#6835231 - 07/26/17 07:16 PM Re: What Rifle to take for Elk/Black Bear [Re: txtrophy85]
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Any listed will do...even the 257...it is hell on wheels . The 100 TSX bullets it kills bigger than it is....I'm sure the 110 s are every bit is good.

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#6835245 - 07/26/17 07:34 PM Re: What Rifle to take for Elk/Black Bear [Re: txtrophy85]
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Hunt several years ago, 3 elk killed. The only elk that went down from one shot was at 287 yards from a 257 wby loaded with 110 accubond. The ones that required more shots were with 300 wby. I would not hesitate to hunt with any of the 3 listed. On the 270 it would be loaded with partitions or 140gr accubonds
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#6835258 - 07/26/17 07:44 PM Re: What Rifle to take for Elk/Black Bear [Re: txtrophy85]
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