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#6825081 - 07/17/17 12:17 PM Long Term Browse & Forbs
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I'm in Southern Menard County, and I've decided to forgo food plots. Instead, I'm considering trying to plant browse / forbs for long term establishment, and hopefully benefit. Has anyone tried this? Successful or not? I'm thinking Coma, Sugar Hackberry, Southwest Bernardia, Texas Kinneywood, Guayacan, Granjeno, Blackbrush, or similar.

Am I a fool? Are any of these 'easy' to plant / establish? Any insight or advise would be VERY welcome. Thanks.

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#6825458 - 07/17/17 05:44 PM Re: Long Term Browse & Forbs [Re: Woj]
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I have no idea what most of the items you refer to are. All I know is that most forb type plants and brush are hard to get started unless protected. Well these plants grow in that area? Also a lot has to do with how much moisture is available when planted. If other sources of food are available at the time of planting you may have some luck and they will leave these plants go until established. Good luck and I hope it works out.

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#6827143 - 07/19/17 08:53 AM Re: Long Term Browse & Forbs [Re: Woj]
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Hog love to root under hackberry trees.

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#6827198 - 07/19/17 09:35 AM Re: Long Term Browse & Forbs [Re: Woj]
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turnips
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#6827204 - 07/19/17 09:40 AM Re: Long Term Browse & Forbs [Re: Woj]
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Honey suckle- will grow almost anywhere and deer love it.

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#6827225 - 07/19/17 09:55 AM Re: Long Term Browse & Forbs [Re: Woj]
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This single plant allows us to house the number of deer we do as far as food is concerned... its never their first pic for food but when things get dry and scarce it is their lifesafe... your neighbors may hate you though it spreads like a wildfire and grows thick... very hard to get rid of and overtakes any undergrowth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilex_vomitoria
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#6827341 - 07/19/17 11:18 AM Re: Long Term Browse & Forbs [Re: Navasot]
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Originally Posted By: Navasot
This single plant allows us to house the number of deer we do as far as food is concerned... its never their first pic for food but when things get dry and scarce it is their lifesafe... your neighbors may hate you though it spreads like a wildfire and grows thick... very hard to get rid of and overtakes any undergrowth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilex_vomitoria


interesting
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#6827518 - 07/19/17 01:27 PM Re: Long Term Browse & Forbs [Re: Woj]
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Originally Posted By: Woj
I'm in Southern Menard County, and I've decided to forgo food plots. Instead, I'm considering trying to plant browse / forbs for long term establishment, and hopefully benefit. Has anyone tried this? Successful or not? I'm thinking Coma, Sugar Hackberry, Southwest Bernardia, Texas Kinneywood, Guayacan, Granjeno, Blackbrush, or similar.

Am I a fool? Are any of these 'easy' to plant / establish? Any insight or advise would be VERY welcome. Thanks.


I really like the idea of planting additional browse/forbs that are native instead of a food plot. Long-term, they should survive on native rainfall.

Have you talked to a TPWD biologist or your local county ag agent about this?

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#6827533 - 07/19/17 01:39 PM Re: Long Term Browse & Forbs [Re: tlk]
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Originally Posted By: tlk
Originally Posted By: Navasot
This single plant allows us to house the number of deer we do as far as food is concerned... its never their first pic for food but when things get dry and scarce it is their lifesafe... your neighbors may hate you though it spreads like a wildfire and grows thick... very hard to get rid of and overtakes any undergrowth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilex_vomitoria


interesting


Those and American beautyberry..

Ligustrum sinense will choke out yaupon and they tear the leaves up.

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#6827610 - 07/19/17 02:51 PM Re: Long Term Browse & Forbs [Re: Woj]
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I appreciate the discussion so far. I started here for ideas regarding deer preference, availability, abundance, and protein / nutritional value. I thought everyone here would find it interesting and hopefully useful. I was just trying to see if anyone had ANY experience planting any of these in any large numbers to cover acreage, and what they experienced (good or bad)

TPWD Woody Browse

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#6827618 - 07/19/17 02:53 PM Re: Long Term Browse & Forbs [Re: ErnestTBass]
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I've submitted my forms, and I'm just trying to coordinate a good meeting date with him. They don't work on the weekends, so trying to find a good day during the week.

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#6828525 - 07/20/17 08:49 AM Re: Long Term Browse & Forbs [Re: Woj]
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just what donk said. I dont have any experience with these types of forbes either. But I do plant about 10-20 trees a year and they are a lot of work to get through the first couple of years. protect and water. Good luck and keep us informed.

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#6829678 - 07/21/17 03:48 AM Re: Long Term Browse & Forbs [Re: huntindude]
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keep us updated please
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#6829773 - 07/21/17 07:48 AM Re: Long Term Browse & Forbs [Re: Woj]
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So: 1. Turnips. Annual, need to sow and plant. I'm not likely to do that any time soon.
2. Honey Suckle. Maybe an option. Still difficult to establish across 10's to 100's of acres because I can
t simply 'broadcast' a ton of seeds and watch some become established, but maybe over a long time.
3. Ligustrum sinense (Chinese Privet). Considered an invasive species.... I'll likely pass
4. Yaupon / Yaupon Holly. Maybe an option. Not a ton of nutritional value for deer, but can sustain them during hard times, and birds like their berries. (do dove like their berries? might be a good side benefit....)

I'll meet with my biologist in the coming months, and see what he has to say. I'm beginning to wonder if this is even feasible. Since it's not a 'typical practice', it might be a very difficult task. BUT....I'm not afraid of difficult or hard work, so i'm going to do something.... just not sure WHAT yet! smile

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#6829811 - 07/21/17 08:28 AM Re: Long Term Browse & Forbs [Re: Woj]
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Registered: 10/24/05
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Most of everything you have listed are considered ideal native deer forage in the mixed brush of south Texas - i'd love to have it in the Rolling Plains. It may be a tough road to acquire those plants, i'm not sure if plant nursery's carry them or not. You might google "South Texas Natives CKWRI"; Forrest Smith who manages that may be able to point you in the right direction. TPWD will most likely recommend you implement management techniques (fire, judicious grazing, mechanical and chemical, manage the deer population the best you can) that will promote your local native forb/brush growth and establishment.
I'm a wildlife biologist consultant and love to manage the native habitat but there are some parts of the state that lack quality native forage...at least to the level of providing the opportunity for deer to express their genetic potential and raise healthy fawns each year. In that case, that is where supplemental feed comes into play. It is working in drought or during a flood, 365 days a year, 24 hours a day. Just my opinion.

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