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#6823639 - 07/15/17 05:38 PM Re: Let's give open carry a try. [Re: Longhunter]
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Originally Posted By: Longhunter
Originally Posted By: HWY_MAN
Yesterday morning I stopped at 7-11 to get some snuff and there happen to be a PD officer at the counter. He bought his stuff and was heading out the door when the clerk commented to him and he turned around. At that time he could clearly see I was carrying openly and went on out the door. I finished my business and got in the truck and proceeded to the ranch. The officer had clearly went around the corner and turned his vehicle around to watch the parking lot. When I left the lot he pulled up right behind me and followed me through 3 intersections until I got to I-20. He then turned around and went back west. It was more than obvious that he was looking for me to commit a violation so he could run an ID. What I don't understand is why he just didn't ask me for my LTC instead of going through all that. I would have had no problem complying with his request, I don't believe he has to have probable cause to request my licence nor do I think he should.


He ran your plate and found out what he needed to know...


That plate will only tell him who owns the truck, not who's driving it. It's under the company name.
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#6824040 - 07/16/17 08:35 AM Re: Let's give open carry a try. [Re: HWY_MAN]
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Originally Posted By: HWY_MAN
Originally Posted By: 68rustbucket
I don't understand why there is open carry, cc seemed to be ok


It's what the citizens of Texas wanted and it seems our legislators agreed.


The only problem I have with it is tipping off the bad guys as to who is carrying.....
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#6824061 - 07/16/17 09:13 AM Re: Let's give open carry a try. [Re: Concho]
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The only problem I have with it is tipping off the bad guys as to who is carrying.....


And that can be a good thing or a bad thing.


Let's look at what was posted earlier.

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We had a store robbery here almost twenty years ago. If I remember correctly the bad guy didn't announce the robbery, just simply shot two people upon walking in. Both survived, but severely injured. In another bank robbery story some years back in another town the robber walked straight up to the teller and shot and killed her. Carrying concealed makes little difference if your the first one shot. Do I want to trade round with a person who's obviously armed? Take that risk? I have more questions than I do answers.

That tells me that if the same situation were happening today the open carry person better see the bad guy first or he/she openly carrying will get shot first.


In both cases they shot obviously unarmed people, would that have played out the same way had someone been openly armed? I don't know but seeing armed people in an business where you plan on committing a crime is definitely going to make you put your thinking cap on. Am I willing to trade rounds with an obviously armed person? Would I go ahead and commit to the crime knowing that? I have more questions than I do answers. Is a person more likely to commit a crime in front of an unmarked patrol car or a marked one?


Edited by HWY_MAN (07/16/17 09:25 AM)
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#6824490 - 07/16/17 06:31 PM Re: Let's give open carry a try. [Re: HWY_MAN]
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Your using old school thinking in a very different world that exists today. How many LEO's have been assasinated this year alone? Did carrying a firearm openly stop the perpetrators?
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#6824531 - 07/16/17 07:15 PM Re: Let's give open carry a try. [Re: HWY_MAN]
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Originally Posted By: HWY_MAN
Quote:
The only problem I have with it is tipping off the bad guys as to who is carrying.....


And that can be a good thing or a bad thing.


Let's look at what was posted earlier.

Quote:
We had a store robbery here almost twenty years ago. If I remember correctly the bad guy didn't announce the robbery, just simply shot two people upon walking in. Both survived, but severely injured. In another bank robbery story some years back in another town the robber walked straight up to the teller and shot and killed her. Carrying concealed makes little difference if your the first one shot. Do I want to trade round with a person who's obviously armed? Take that risk? I have more questions than I do answers.

That tells me that if the same situation were happening today the open carry person better see the bad guy first or he/she openly carrying will get shot first.


In both cases they shot obviously unarmed people, would that have played out the same way had someone been openly armed? I don't know but seeing armed people in an business where you plan on committing a crime is definitely going to make you put your thinking cap on. Am I willing to trade rounds with an obviously armed person? Would I go ahead and commit to the crime knowing that? I have more questions than I do answers. Is a person more likely to commit a crime in front of an unmarked patrol car or a marked one?


My thoughts as well.

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#6826094 - 07/18/17 09:31 AM Re: Let's give open carry a try. [Re: HWY_MAN]
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I starting to think that if I carried open, I'd also carry concealed at the same time in case I was caught off guard and lost control of my weapon which is my biggest fear about carrying open.

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#6826681 - 07/18/17 06:36 PM Re: Let's give open carry a try. [Re: HWY_MAN]
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How many OC people have been disarmed and shot with their own weapons? How many robberies/shootings have happen around someone that was OC'ing? How may people have been targeted and shot because they were OC'ing?

I haven't heard of a single instance in Texas yet.


Edited by rexmitchell (07/18/17 06:38 PM)

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#6826701 - 07/18/17 06:53 PM Re: Let's give open carry a try. [Re: Gravytrain]
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Originally Posted By: Gravytrain
I starting to think that if I carried open, I'd also carry concealed at the same time in case I was caught off guard and lost control of my weapon which is my biggest fear about carrying open.


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#6835237 - 07/26/17 07:19 PM Re: Let's give open carry a try. [Re: rexmitchell]
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Originally Posted By: rexmitchell
How many OC people have been disarmed and shot with their own weapons? How many robberies/shootings have happen around someone that was OC'ing? How may people have been targeted and shot because they were OC'ing?

I haven't heard of a single instance in Texas yet.



Not Texas specific, but here are some recent examples from the first page of a quick google search.


http://koin.com/2014/10/07/man-practicing-open-carry-law-robbed-of-gun/

https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/02/03/open-carrier-robbed-gun-virginia/

https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/05/01/clueless-open-carrier-robbed-gun-arizona/

http://www.annarbor.com/news/crime/unarmed-man-attempts-to-rob-emu-student-carrying-holstered-gun/

https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/headline-man-practicing-open-carry-law-robbed-gun


Here are some really surprising youtubes of police in Texas arresting people for open carry.

Really don't understand what was going on with this mess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtPNTJ1UBw0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0yiYO7N5fc





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#6835891 - 07/27/17 01:56 PM Re: Let's give open carry a try. [Re: HWY_MAN]
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It's like walking around with $500-$1000 dollars strapped to waist and daring stupid criminals to test their speed.

I bet if someone tried to grab your gun and failed, then you shot them while they are unarmed even in close, it could cost you big $$ to stay out of jail.

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#6835927 - 07/27/17 02:36 PM Re: Let's give open carry a try. [Re: Gravytrain]
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Originally Posted By: Gravytrain
It's like walking around with $500-$1000 dollars strapped to waist and daring stupid criminals to test their speed.

I bet if someone tried to grab your gun and failed, then you shot them while they are unarmed even in close, it could cost you big $$ to stay out of jail.


Texas Law Shield is the cheapest insurance you can buy for this scenario.

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#6837296 - 07/28/17 07:15 PM Re: Let's give open carry a try. [Re: Gravytrain]
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Originally Posted By: Gravytrain
It's like walking around with $500-$1000 dollars strapped to waist and daring stupid criminals to test their speed.


Sure but how is this different than someone wearing a Rolex or your wife wearing expensive jewelry (other than the fact it's a gun)? Aren't we daring someone to rob us anytime we are in public?

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#6837709 - 07/29/17 08:22 AM Re: Let's give open carry a try. [Re: rexmitchell]
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Sure it's different, No one was ever shot by their Rolex.
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#6837745 - 07/29/17 09:17 AM Re: Let's give open carry a try. [Re: Pappybear]
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Originally Posted By: Pappybear
Sure it's different, No one was ever shot by their Rolex.


Yet you are still walking around with a 10k watch on your wrist "daring" a criminal to take it.

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#6837870 - 07/29/17 11:48 AM Re: Let's give open carry a try. [Re: rexmitchell]
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"daring" a criminal to take it.


Daring? Please tell me your joking. That's no different than saying a woman wearing a short dress is daring a man to rape her! Put your Burka back on.
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