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#6793356 - 06/14/17 01:49 PM Follow up shot
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I am going on a once in a lifetime elk hunt with my father-in-law this October. He is in his upper 60s and this will probably be one of the last years he will be able to do this type of hunt. We are both going with a single guide.

My question is if one of us gets a good shot on a bull would there be any reason for the 2nd hunter not to send a follow up shot down range? I personally wouldn't care and feel this may give us a better chance for recovery if the first shot is slightly off. Also this would offer a much quicker follow up shot since there would be no need to cycle the bolt. In a worse case scenario the 2 of us could send 4 rounds down range faster than a single shooter shooting 4 times.

I am sure I will get the common responses of practice more to be sure on your shot and of course we are already doing that. But I want to make sure we have every chance to recover the bull in the event of a not so great shot especially considering this maybe the only time my FIL gets to go on this type of hunt.

#6793366 - 06/14/17 01:55 PM Re: Follow up shot [Re: mattyg06]
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Just use a good caliber for elk with quality ammo, make a good shot, and you'll be fine. I'm in the shoot until they're down group myself, even on white tail. Given a few follow ups that might not have been needed but I've lost deer that were hit "good".

If it was me and you going no I don't want you to shoot my elk, but you're f-i-l might see it differently.

#6793399 - 06/14/17 02:25 PM Re: Follow up shot [Re: mattyg06]
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At least one of you shoot until it's down. Don't "admire" your first shot. I bet your FIL can get a second shot off pretty quick. Anyone that suggests only one shot should always be enough, hasn't hunted elk (successfully). 'Like to put them in front a cape buffalo with one cartridge of any caliber they choose. grin
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#6793416 - 06/14/17 02:42 PM Re: Follow up shot [Re: mattyg06]
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Shoot til they're down is good strategy but I'd call and ask the guide about 2nd person
doing the shooting. Or ask when you get there.
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#6793434 - 06/14/17 03:11 PM Re: Follow up shot [Re: mattyg06]
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I doubt if the guide will want two shooting at once but I was wrong once so anything is possible.
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#6793449 - 06/14/17 03:29 PM Re: Follow up shot [Re: mattyg06]
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One shot is not always enough but puts em down hard if the shot is right. Have hunted elk 29 years and only once had to have someone else do the backup shooting. Legalities if you taking the follow up shots would be a concern. If your tag is filled that would be a game violation. Guides in some states are legal to do just what you are asking.
No need to keep pumping lead into a bull if he is standing dead, but an iffy shot definitely requires follow ups.
I put a cow bison down with one well placed shot this winter while other hunters were blazing away at their bison every time they shuddered. Call the shot for him and let him take his own bull.
A cape buffalo and bull elk are no comparison.
Also depends on the adrenaline the bull has built up, during the rut or spooked and he may take a couple of shots to go down.

#6793459 - 06/14/17 03:40 PM Re: Follow up shot [Re: Wytex]
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Ask the guide how he feels about you giving quick follow up shot. Some guides believe if you ain't firing you ain't frying. If you are on the ready and see bullet hit and animal doesn't show signs of terminal hit then burn more powder on him!
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#6793460 - 06/14/17 03:45 PM Re: Follow up shot [Re: mattyg06]
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Right off the top of my head, I can only recall twice having to shoot a bull more than once and one of those was really not needed after looking over the bull. 18"-20"+ kill zone is pretty liberal.

I'd discuss it with your FIL, if he is really OK with it, then ask the guide and ultimately follow what the guide says.
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#6793515 - 06/14/17 04:54 PM Re: Follow up shot [Re: mattyg06]
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#6793525 - 06/14/17 05:06 PM Re: Follow up shot [Re: mattyg06]
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Make darn sure you're both shooting at the same animal, if it comes down to it!

#6793539 - 06/14/17 05:29 PM Re: Follow up shot [Re: mattyg06]
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Personally, I'd try to avoid the situation, of two shooters. It can make for a safety scenario, it's double the noise, and then there's the possibility of multiple elk, and two getting shot at once. Empty your rifle at home, take a knee and dry fire, sit and dry fire, use your pack and dry fire. Make a good dry fire shot, and cycle quickly. This is how muscle memory is built in.

I shot my elk in one shot, but once I saw the bullet impact, I quickly cycled another round. In fact, I believe I couldn't find my brass, because I had more important things to be concerned about at the time. It was told to me, "keep shooting, until they quit moving". I was ready for a follow-up, but didn't end up needing it.

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#6793552 - 06/14/17 05:45 PM Re: Follow up shot [Re: mattyg06]
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YES! Keep shooting until he is deader than a doornail. If i see my elk even flinch, I shoot him again. We have had people lose elk because they were hesitant to shoot them again. Don't be that guy, trust me, it sucks.

A wounded elk can run straight up a mountain side and be 10 miles away before you even catch your breath.

Hell, we had a guy one time shoot his elk, elk dropped. Walked up to it, put his gun down and was getting his knife out of his pack, elk got up and ran off. True story! It's a miserable feeling after you've been hunting your butt off for an opportunity.

Edited by budward (06/14/17 05:47 PM)

#6793603 - 06/14/17 06:45 PM Re: Follow up shot [Re: mattyg06]
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The bull I shot last year I drilled in the boiler room at 100 and change. I knew it was a great shot. However, he did not DRT and the cow in front of him bolted for the steep ravine a couple hundred yards away. No way I was going to let him do the same nor even think about it. Didn't even hesitate. I chambered another round and fired a second good shot. Down he went. Artists don't admire their work until the work is finished. Same should hold true for the hunter. Know your surroundings, potential pitfalls if they do run, etc. Take out the possibility of extra work. That's my .02 anyways.

#6793662 - 06/14/17 07:28 PM Re: Follow up shot [Re: mattyg06]
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Cycling a bolt is much faster than most think, it is not a 5-10 second routine, it takes one second. Reacquiring a target can take longer, but the second hunter/shooter after being startled by the shot has the same issue.
We have practiced cycling a bolt and shooting, and I was amazed at my daughters speed and accuracy. Some thinks she is firing a semi-auto when she is pig hunting.

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#6793693 - 06/14/17 08:02 PM Re: Follow up shot [Re: mattyg06]
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I would never want anyone else shooting an elk I made the first shot on. Ever. Each hunter should be responsible for taking their own animal.

It's not necessary. They are not dangerous game. Each hunter should plan to take and make a good first shot and be responsible for any actually needed follow up shots. It's not a good mindset to think in terms of assuming the possibility of a poor first shot. JMHO.
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