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#6779681 - 05/31/17 10:55 AM The current testing data on CWD.
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Shows a higher % infection rate in "free range" cervids than in breeding facilities. Got this from the exotic wildlife association this am:


"In an effort to provide all of you with the most accurate information regarding CWD testing, I would like to outline some facts about the current testing levels across our state. The subsequent data shows the amount of samples collected, the amount of deer tested, and the breakdown of private samples versus TPWD samples since 2002. Please note the following information:

Total Testing for CWD

Total Tests for CWD Since 2002: 160,064
Total TPWD Tests Since 2002: 62,059
Total Private Tests Since 2002: 98,005

Since Finding CWD in 2015

Total Tests for CWD Since 2015: 99,885
Total TPWD Tests Since 2015: 32,737
Total Private Tests Since 2015: 67,148

CWD Overview in Texas

CWD was first found in Texas in WILD deer in 2012.
ONLY 50 deer have been found to be CWD positive in Texas since 2012.
Millions of dollars have been spent on "managing and monitoring" for this disease since 2012.
There are approximately 4 million deer in Texas.

Wild CWD Testing and Prevalence

Total TPWD tests submitted since 2015 = 32,737
Total CWD positives found in Texas since 2015 = 18 total free-ranging deer.

This means there is a total prevalence of about five one-hundredths of one percent - .055%.
Prevalence = # of Positives/# of Sampled
18 positives/32,737 sample = .055% prevalence.

CWD in the wild herd continues to spread across the landscape into new counties with no real management plan, response plan, or way to stop the spread across North, West, and Central Texas.

Industry Regulations and Testing

More than 1,000 deer killed for testing as a requirement to maintain customers and business continuity due to a perceived emergency that never existed.
More than 67,148 total tests from private facilities across the state have been submitted since CWD was found. (There are estimated to be about 98,000 total deer in pens).
This is more than DOUBLE the tests submitted by TPWD!
Only 32 deer found with CWD in five facilities located within a 15-mile radius of another. There are more than 1,200 breeding facilities and more than 5,000 release sites across Texas.
This means there is a total prevalence of about five one-hundredths of one percent - .047%!!
Prevalence = # of Positives/# of Sampled
32 positives/67,148 samples = .047% prevalence.

TO BE CLEAR, according to the data provided, there is a higher prevalence of CWD in the wild than there is in captive facilities!

Summary of Taxpayer Spending
(These numbers will need to be updated to reflect costs since 2012)

TPWD spent about $1.5 million over the past two years on CWD.
TAHC has spent more than $1 million over the past two years on CWD
This massive increase in testing and overwhelming burden on landowners has only found 32 deer in captive facilities and 18 in the wild with CWD!!!
That means they spent about $50,000 per positive deer of taxpayer money.
Additionally, it has been estimated that the regulations, rhetoric, and falsehoods spread about this disease have caused a NEGATIVE impact of more than $25 million dollars on the industry and Texas economy alone! That means the potential cost to hardworking Texas families is more than $750,000 per positive deer.

Despite the large negative impact on the industry, the testing information provided above is extremely uplifting for the industry in Texas. This data undeniably shows that we are one of the healthiest industries in the country. Despite CWD being found in the wild and in captive deer in our state, the Texas deer industry has done an incredible job of testing it's animals to ensure proper disease management has occurred.

As we look to another year of discussions surrounding CWD, I would like your collective input on what other information might be relevant to request from our regulatory agencies that will help show the entire picture of how CWD has impacted the wildlife in Texas and how regulation has impacted our industry. Please feel free to send me any questions you may have of our regulatory agencies. We will request the information of them that is most important to our industry."
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#6779828 - 05/31/17 12:52 PM Re: The current testing data on CWD. [Re: therancher]
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flounder is that you?

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#6779848 - 05/31/17 01:01 PM Re: The current testing data on CWD. [Re: therancher]
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#6779870 - 05/31/17 01:18 PM Re: The current testing data on CWD. [Re: 8pointdrop]
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Originally Posted By: 8pointdrop
flounder is that you?


Nope, this just helps prove that its not as bad as some people talk it up to be.
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#6779982 - 05/31/17 02:23 PM Re: The current testing data on CWD. [Re: therancher]
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I would only worry if a "hot spot " turns up, many positives. Then it's in the environment to stay.
I think maybe increased scrutiny has led to many thinking it is spreading across the state. You will know it if you see a waster's deer, skinny, drooling and unafraid of people.They will appear very uncoordinated too.

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#6780243 - 05/31/17 07:11 PM Re: The current testing data on CWD. [Re: 8pointdrop]
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Originally Posted By: 8pointdrop
flounder is that you?

roflmao
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#6780453 - 05/31/17 10:21 PM Re: The current testing data on CWD. [Re: therancher]
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Well I think most reasonable people know it's a horse [censored] situation.
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#6780530 - 05/31/17 11:52 PM Re: The current testing data on CWD. [Re: fouzman]
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Originally Posted By: fouzman
Source? TDA?

No. Exotic Wildlife Association.

It was in an email they sent me. So I couldn't post a link and hence the flounder similarity.

The data is from tpwd and tahc.
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#6780553 - 06/01/17 03:24 AM Re: The current testing data on CWD. [Re: therancher]
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Well, there's two ways to look at it.

Another way of looking at it is that the non-import laws, TTT rules, and scrutiny are working to contain the spread of CWD. And you gotta have extensive testing data to know where things stand.

And while the data in the article may be accurate, the "spin" is evident. Example: the industry simultaneously griping about the burdens/impact of extensive testing while 3 paragraphs later patting itself on the back for that same extensive testing showing the herd to be safe (isn't that also a point of testing?).

Also, the $50,000, (then $750,000) "test cost per positive deer" and "estimated $25 million" impact on "hardworking families" is obviously "spin".

What has happened is that the taxpayers and breeding industry have spent about $3.50 per Texas hunter or about 9 cents per Texas citizen in its ongoing efforts to protect our state's deer herd and ensure the hunters/public are informed about rates of occurrence.

I'm glad the results have been good so far. I'm also glad the testing has/is being done so we can continue to know where we stand. My advice to the "industry": use the info for PR instead of griping about having to test. Because right now the PR battle isn't going so great for the "industry". (I would also quit calling it an "industry", but that's just me.)
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#6780620 - 06/01/17 07:23 AM Re: The current testing data on CWD. [Re: therancher]
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I may and have been known to be full of it but here is what I think is hurting the so called "Deer Breeding Industry" as much or maybe even more than CWD. I think it is what they have made WT Bucks look like. They no longer look like what they were say 20 years ago. They are no longer uniform in antler shape or points. There I believe is only a certain number of the hunting public that either wants to shoot or can afford to shoot one of these deer. And I believe that number is getting to that point. I have been contacted and have sold Ibex to people in the breeding business. Some are getting out because of the CWD scare has affected the number of Deer they sell to other ranches and there is no longer a profit in it. Some that raise for their own clients and those clients are no longer interested in shooting a 300" non typical Buck that everyone knows was pen raised. Everything eventually runs its course. And I believe this industry is getting close to it.
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#6780627 - 06/01/17 07:29 AM Re: The current testing data on CWD. [Re: therancher]
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^^^^ I believe you are spot on. It was never about hunting, but the head. When those who want them have the head(s), what's really left?
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#6780721 - 06/01/17 08:56 AM Re: The current testing data on CWD. [Re: Nogalus Prairie]
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Originally Posted By: Nogalus Prairie
^^^^ I believe you are spot on. It was never about hunting, but the head. When those who want them have the head(s), what's really left?


There is always more room on the wall. You are still killing things for the wall and are an active participant of the hunting "industry". It has been an industry long before breeding entered the picture, and will always be an industry.

The market will correct itself. It's a beautiful thing. But it needs to be determined by something other than a govt entity.


Edited by therancher (06/01/17 09:06 AM)
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#6780738 - 06/01/17 09:05 AM Re: The current testing data on CWD. [Re: therancher]
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And Don, the folks that I know that have exited the breeding side of the industry are leaving it because the state is inconsistent and involved heavily in picking winners and creating losers. The market is shifting as you said, but it's still very strong.

All one has to do is look at the tpwd board to see why they have created and promoted the CWD scare.
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#6781006 - 06/01/17 01:01 PM Re: The current testing data on CWD. [Re: therancher]
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Originally Posted By: therancher
And Don, the folks that I know that have exited the breeding side of the industry are leaving it because the state is inconsistent and involved heavily in picking winners and creating losers. The market is shifting as you said, but it's still very strong.

All one has to do is look at the tpwd board to see why they have created and promoted the CWD scare.
That is probably very true. What I am hearing is that the market is drying up for the "Non-Typical" type WT over 250". I have also heard from breeders that the money and time involved producing those types is not what it used to be and that marketing them is not as easy as it used to be. I still believe both the market drying up and CWD are equally to blame for the down turn. There are going to be those breeders that survive and those with smaller pockets that don't. The breeders that can breed large typical type WT Bucks in the coming years will do very good. The Non-Typical types not so good. Like you said there will always be a market for them but I don't believe it will be large enough for the amount of breeders there are now.
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#6781036 - 06/01/17 01:40 PM Re: The current testing data on CWD. [Re: therancher]
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Tell me about the board guys. What are they pushing and why?

Are they LF guys now? Breeders that want to drive others out? A mix?

I don't keep up with it anymore like I used to.
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