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#6768974 - 05/19/17 04:26 PM Argentina Duck Advice?
dkershen Offline


Registered: 05/14/09
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Loc: Denton/Argyle
Hey guys.. I don't do a lot of duck hunting so looking for some sage advise from this forum. Going hunting in Argentina next month on a mixed bag hunt which includes a day or two of water fowling. I plan on having a couple ducks taxi'd there and shipped back. Which two of the following (hen or drake) would you make the highest priority?

1. Chilean Brown Pintail
2. Silver teal
3. Argentine Cinnamon Teal
4. Chiloe
5. Speckled Teal
6. Argentine Red Shoveler
7. Ringed teal
8. Rosybill Pochard
9. White faced tree duck
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#6769013 - 05/19/17 05:23 PM Re: Argentina Duck Advice? [Re: dkershen]
Always ready 2 hunt Offline
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Wish I had taxied a Rosybill when I was there over 10 years ago. Absoultely loved that country and cherish the 2 weeks, was there also in June.

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#6769035 - 05/19/17 05:39 PM Re: Argentina Duck Advice? [Re: dkershen]
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Whichever have the most color
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#6769132 - 05/19/17 07:23 PM Re: Argentina Duck Advice? [Re: dkershen]
Barasingha Offline
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I like chiloe widgeon, but it is what you like best.

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#6769164 - 05/19/17 08:01 PM Re: Argentina Duck Advice? [Re: dkershen]
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Silver teal and Ringed teal get my vote from your list. But if you get a White-cheeked Pintail, I would take that over the Ringed teal. But really it does not matter, you are gonna have an awesome trip, any duck you put on the wall will be sweet, put the duck on the wall that carries the best story, you shot it with one hand while taking a piss etc...Every mount requires a good story. Have fun. up

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#6769311 - 05/19/17 10:39 PM Re: Argentina Duck Advice? [Re: Guy]
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Originally Posted By: Guy
Silver teal and Ringed teal get my vote from your list. But if you get a White-cheeked Pintail, I would take that over the Ringed teal. But really it does not matter, you are gonna have an awesome trip, any duck you put on the wall will be sweet, put the duck on the wall that carries the best story, you shot it with one hand while taking a piss etc...Every mount requires a good story. Have fun. up
. Great advice up
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#6769414 - 05/20/17 07:42 AM Re: Argentina Duck Advice? [Re: dkershen]
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Great idea. I have never thought of that as a work around to the exportation situation. Have you found a good taxi? Mind telling us what the cost of the work and shipping will be? I have dreamed of Argentina, but not being able to bring my birds back is the only reason I haven't done it.

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#6770201 - 05/21/17 09:07 AM Re: Argentina Duck Advice? [Re: dkershen]
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I wouldn't get your hopes up too high on the taxidermy. It's illegal to import any bird from Argentina. If USFW takes frozen solid birds that seriously that would be some loophole to allow mounted birds through with some sort of special customs paperwork.
Having spoken with several outfitters and a few nationally recognized taxidermists, I've never heard of someone trying to do what you're talking about. Personally, I've not booked a trip to Argentina simply because you cannot import your trophies.

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#6771449 - 05/22/17 01:25 PM Re: Argentina Duck Advice? [Re: dkershen]
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Honestly I'd mount whatever I thought was coolest, not what someone else thought I should have mounted. I'm not trying to start dating other duck hunters by impressing them with my mounts or anything...
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#6771849 - 05/22/17 07:30 PM Re: Argentina Duck Advice? [Re: Ty Webb]
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Originally Posted By: Ty Webb
I wouldn't get your hopes up too high on the taxidermy. It's illegal to import any bird from Argentina. If USFW takes frozen solid birds that seriously that would be some loophole to allow mounted birds through with some sort of special customs paperwork.
Having spoken with several outfitters and a few nationally recognized taxidermists, I've never heard of someone trying to do what you're talking about. Personally, I've not booked a trip to Argentina simply because you cannot import your trophies.

I'm sure I'm miss reading this, but this makes it sound like you can import them....

https://www.fws.gov/birds/policies-and-regulations/permits/import-and-export.php

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#6772076 - 05/22/17 10:25 PM Re: Argentina Duck Advice? [Re: dkershen]
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Registered: 04/09/07
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I do not believe the issue is with the US restricting importation, but with Argentina and exporting.

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#6772519 - 05/23/17 11:46 AM Re: Argentina Duck Advice? [Re: DuckSausage]
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I know this guy that goes to Argentina often, he showed me many mounted ducks he shot down there, so he is doing it somehow. Not sure why Argentina would restrict export of game birds, especially if processed in Argentina.

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#6772758 - 05/23/17 04:05 PM Re: Argentina Duck Advice? [Re: Guy]
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I like all of the teal a bunch. On the topic of exporting/importing birds, here is what I found out first hand. Bear with me because it will be long winded...

Before I ever went to Argentina I contacted Eric at Alive Again Recreations because he had just come back from Argentina and had imported birds. First he told me to call the USFWS wherever I would be clearing customs to let them know the time and date I would be coming through with birds. Also you have to have a USDA certified taxidermist to send them to which I believe has to be done at the airport under USFWS observation. Then he told me about all the paper work I needed which I double checked with USFWS at DFW International Airport. I was all good there. I think technically you are not supposed to export birds out of Argentina but I just had them frozen in ziplocks and in those insulated freezer bags and brought an extra duffle bag to check on the way back. We got to the airport and I just set the bag on the scale and they put a tag on it and sent it back with all the other bags. I just planned on playing dumb if they saw it and tried to give me hell about it. I don't think their security is very strict because I walked right onto our plane with a 4 inch pocket knife in my carry on.

The hitch in my plan came when our flight was rerouted through Miami instead of DFW. The customs agents there told me I had to have an "agent" to get my birds back in for me which would cost >=$500. I showed them all my paper work and they were not having it. I think they wanted to make their buddy some money. Anyway we ended up leaving 18 ducks in Miami so we didn't miss our connecting flight after screwing with those guys for 2.5 hours. If I could go back and do it again I'd probably just pay the $500.

Hope that helps.
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#6773669 - 05/24/17 01:21 PM Re: Argentina Duck Advice? [Re: john paul]
Ty Webb Offline
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Registered: 12/10/09
Posts: 313
Loc: North Texas
Originally Posted By: john paul
I like all of the teal a bunch. On the topic of exporting/importing birds, here is what I found out first hand. Bear with me because it will be long winded...

Before I ever went to Argentina I contacted Eric at Alive Again Recreations because he had just come back from Argentina and had imported birds. First he told me to call the USFWS wherever I would be clearing customs to let them know the time and date I would be coming through with birds. Also you have to have a USDA certified taxidermist to send them to which I believe has to be done at the airport under USFWS observation. Then he told me about all the paper work I needed which I double checked with USFWS at DFW International Airport. I was all good there. I think technically you are not supposed to export birds out of Argentina but I just had them frozen in ziplocks and in those insulated freezer bags and brought an extra duffle bag to check on the way back. We got to the airport and I just set the bag on the scale and they put a tag on it and sent it back with all the other bags. I just planned on playing dumb if they saw it and tried to give me hell about it. I don't think their security is very strict because I walked right onto our plane with a 4 inch pocket knife in my carry on.

The hitch in my plan came when our flight was rerouted through Miami instead of DFW. The customs agents there told me I had to have an "agent" to get my birds back in for me which would cost >=$500. I showed them all my paper work and they were not having it. I think they wanted to make their buddy some money. Anyway we ended up leaving 18 ducks in Miami so we didn't miss our connecting flight after screwing with those guys for 2.5 hours. If I could go back and do it again I'd probably just pay the $500.

Hope that helps.



https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdtx/pr/taxidermist-sentenced-violating-wildlife-laws

Well.... This conversation is done.

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#6773857 - 05/24/17 04:31 PM Re: Argentina Duck Advice? [Re: dkershen]
dkershen Offline


Registered: 05/14/09
Posts: 17096
Loc: Denton/Argyle
Good grief. Looks like john paul dodged a bullet by leaving his ducks in Miami.

Been talking to my outfitter and he say's I can get birds in legally if I jump through all the right hoops, use import agents and ship directly to a USDA certified taxidermist. A second alternative is to have them taxi'd in Argentina, and then import them. (I suspect it's only slightly less paperwork, and iffy on the quality.) He suggested I would save a lot of time, money and headache simply buying farm raised birds of the same species in the US and having them mounted. I'm conflicted on this last option.

Sort of seems like cheating to hang a farm raised bird on the wall even if I did kill it's wild cousin in Argentina. Your thoughts?
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