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this is one of my feeders out SW from Ozona ... I have never seen hogs on this property but know they aren't far away. First picture is from last fall/winter during hunting season. The second picture the landowner took in early May. What could have caused the legs to be so far pushed out to bend the side of the barrel without turning the feeder over?



bottom of feeder was about 6'6" off the ground, now about 3-4'...


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Either weak brackets on your barrel that gave way to the weight or you have hogs

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Probably cows. They will lean on the feeder legs, and tear up a feeder in no time. The anchor points on the barrel bent in. And the legs are not T-posted down either. When I run a feeder like this, I ALWAYS T-post the legs to the ground so they will not move. It helps to better prevent them from moving. I run a heavy duty tripod with the feeder barrel hanging below on a winch. These are more sturdy and get higher in the air to avoid animals getting to them.


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wasn't cows I don't think, there is a pen around the area using field fencing 4+ foot tall, the bottom has gaps under it when smaller animals have gone under, but don't think a cow would. Coons have been a real issue until I put the PVC pipe back in January and all looked good late March when I was last out there to fill feeders. This feeder has been in place for 5+ years without issues until last Aug. when I am sure hogs came thru, the entire pen area was rooted a foot deep and feeder was moved about 4-5 feet to one side, but no damage. I normally do use t-posts to anchor the legs down when there are cattle around and no pen.

as you might can tell from the below picture, the something pushed hard enough outward on the legs, or leaned inward at the top of the legs to bend the side of the barrel in on all 3 sides. what about a bear?



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That's pigs no doubt.. they figure out they can rub against the poles to get corn out and eventually the legs sink in mud or give... happens a lot here... the coons then pair up to open and destroy a feeder

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I had the exact feeder do the same thing last week from pigs at my lease. My other feeders have longer metal supports on the barrel so they can't bend as easy.


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ok, guess it's time for hog panels out there ... and here I was just tickled peachy that the PVC was keeping the coons off ... but as you can see with the legs spread out that far, it just became a jungle gym for coons to swing and play on. thanks!


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Would seem to me that whatever would have continued to push on the legs until the barrel fell to the ground. While not likely, a cow could have jumped in and out of the pen.

Mighty frustrating.

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Clearly a Yeti did that.

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Originally Posted By: PMK
ok, guess it's time for hog panels out there ... and here I was just tickled peachy that the PVC was keeping the coons off ... but as you can see with the legs spread out that far, it just became a jungle gym for coons to swing and play on. thanks!


I fixed a problem similar to this by mounting the feeder leg slots at the upper half of the feeder.... it has lasted through 20 years of leases from Del Rio to Houston Co. even the cows cant tip it...



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I hunted in Comstock in 2010 through 2013. We had a black bear on game camera the last year. He completely destroyed one of our feeders. Shredded the wire mesh coon guard! shocked

My brother and I saw a mountain lion cross the road coming in to town late one afternoon. Large cat with a long tail. I asked him if he saw it and he said yes. I said you notice anything strange and he said 'yea, it was to large to be a bob cat and had a long tail!' I said I saw the same thing and wanted to make sure I wasn't hallucinating! blush

A year later I hunted on a lease in Juno 30 miles northeast from Comstock and the guys on that lease killed a mountain lion while predator calling.

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I was wondering about a bear because that coon cage was wired up really good with pliers, found it odd that a coon could tears up the cage that bad ...

anyway, new game camera's bought, a new feeder with heavier legs & braces along with t-posting legs and hog or cattle panels on my next trip out... at least I'll know what is trying to tear it up next time. I pulled my cameras back in January as I needed to upgrade a couple out there.


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Hogs, a bear would of demolished it to the ground.


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No base on the feeder legs, looks like you had some moisture, all three legs about equidistant. I bet you filled that can to the brim. Suspect this could be just plain old laws of physics.

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Stake the legs so they cannot be pushed out by a pig, or cow


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A BIG bird landed on top and squashed it. LOL

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Truth is, that is one of the worst feeder pens I've seen built. Cows in my opinion. Sorry to be harsh but you need panels not wire.

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Going with cows as well, that wire didn't keep them out. Had that happen more than once.

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Stake the legs like this and you won't have that problem - even with a cheap plastic feeder barrel like this one.
After you drive the t-posts in the ground, tie the legs in at least 2 places near ground at at top of post.
Three ties is even better.
Pens are a waste of time..if they want in, they will get in and is just another fence for the deer to get tangled in.
I have cattle and pigs on my ranch and this is the only way the feeders will survive both.
The cattle still rub on the legs and may shake out a little corn but won't knock the feeder down.
Also notice the solar fence charger that knocks the coons and squirrels right off!



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Originally Posted By: Navasot
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ok, guess it's time for hog panels out there ... and here I was just tickled peachy that the PVC was keeping the coons off ... but as you can see with the legs spread out that far, it just became a jungle gym for coons to swing and play on. thanks!


I fixed a problem similar to this by mounting the feeder leg slots at the upper half of the feeder.... it has lasted through 20 years of leases from Del Rio to Houston Co. even the cows cant tip it..

I like this design, extra strength to legs and may be to far from leg to timer for a coon to pull corn out.
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A lot easier to fill now that it's closer to the ground

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Originally Posted By: Skipetex
Sasquach


Sasquatch would have knocked the feeder to the ground and scooped out all the corn!


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Here's the, "was it a bear?" test to determine if it was a bear:

Could you recognize what was left as a feeder?

Yes ---> Not a bear

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I believe a giant pterodactyl lit on it and squashed it down.

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thanks for the inputs ... I have never had hogs do that much damage to a feeder without knocking it over, just found it odd that the legs got pushed out that far without it tipping over when unstaked. I normally do stake the legs when there is the possibility of hogs ...

I'll be making a run out within the next couple of weeks with a different feeder, will t-post the legs and hog/cattle panels to rebuild the pen to try to keep hogs out. There wasn't originally any cattle on the place, but some have escaped from where they are supposed to be and freely roam mostly in the lower canyon areas near solar wells with water (I have hog/cattle panels around those feeders), but with the rains, there are some caliche pits that hold water up on the tops for short periods of time. The cattle have never shown any interest in getting inside the field fence pen though, 5 years of off and on worth of pictures from game cam never shows them even trying to reach over the top, just the sulfur salt block about 20-30 feet away.

I just wasn't sure what a bear would do to a feeder, never had any experience with them.


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Make sure to put the panels up high. I can't tell what kind of wire or paneling you were using. But if using panels, make sure to put them up high, even off the ground if they are the short hog panels. Cattle will lean on a short fence and easily bend it over and destroy a short feeder pin. If we have cattle problems, I'll even run a few strands of barbed wire at the top of the T-posts. I don't think this was pigs, because I've seen MANY feeders and pins get tore up by cattle just like this on game cameras. It needs to be fortified to keep the cattle out.


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it was just old 36-38" high goat/sheep rolled field fencing that I put the top up about 44-48" high with the bottom fairly loose 6-10" off the ground for fawns/yearlings to crawl under. I can not tell from the pictures the LO sent me of the damage whether the entire pen is still intact but cattle haven't bothered it in about 5 years it's been in place ... oh well, it will get replaced my next trip out likely with cattle panels with a few cutouts lower for the younger deer. I even sometimes put two t-posts about 6-8 inches apart where the panels end with horizontal stay wires at 6" and 24" high as a small opening for fawns/yearlings ... small hogs can get in too but nothing over ~40 lb size.

just weird since we have never captured a picture on game cams hogs or seen one within the adjoining ranches nor have the adjoining places hunters or LOs had any issues, pictures or seen them ... closest place that has seen them is over 3 miles to the south and they have year around ground water but only occasional hogs seen. But guess they have moved in or at least passing thru from time to time.

the old saying definitely might be true ... about you either have hogs or will have hogs sometime


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I say it was cows. They finally decided they wanted the corn. Post up pick when new pen is built.

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The ground looks like hogs got to it to me.


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The ground looks like hogs got to it to me.
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No base on the feeder legs, looks like you had some moisture, all three legs about equidistant. I bet you filled that can to the brim. Suspect this could be just plain old laws of physics.


^^^^^^^ This! Nothing leaned on those legs. Your legs aren't staked into the ground. All of that moisture on the ground enabled the weight of the barrel + feed to push down and bend the joints causing the legs to slide out. That is also what made the barrel cave in on its sides where the joints are. No pigs, no cows. Straight up physics IMO. Add stakes to the legs and they won't budge.

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Not being a jerk but...I think this feeder was so pathetic it committed suicide.

Get you a 4 leg feeder with feet and drive 6ft re-bar through them. Might as well go for an eliminator scatter plate too.


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That was a pretty stout feeder. I've filled it plenty of times myself. I'll admit the pen was lacking quite a bit, but like he said, it's kept everything else out the past 5 years we've been there. The rest of the feeders do have panels around them, with this one being the only exception. 6' rebar? Hope you have a jack hammer to lend out to get anything that deep in the ground. That's some hard hard ground, hence why we haven't fixed that pen just yet grin

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Yeah had some old cheap moultree feeders everyone laughed at. One had an HEB bag shoved in it as a funnel ....damn things lasted for years..we also had the feeders with a coffee pot percolator eye for a dawning dusk timer, before timers were around......anywho....yeah drive rebar several feet into the ground. If the ground is too hard we use a rotary demo hammer drill thingy.... I say your feeder just collapsed on its own. Instead of driving the T-post down the legs why not just drive them straight down near the feet, with a t-post driver, and wire them to the legs.

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I had a steer bend the heck out of my winch up feeder top rubbing on a leg once. Had pics of it. And always the same leg. Thank goodness for grills or I would really hate cows.


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Originally Posted By: predapex
Not being a jerk but...I think this feeder was so pathetic it committed suicide.


right ... I'll take the high road ... the feeder did not collapse from the weight of the feeder & corn, period! I wouldn't be afraid to sit on top of the barrel with it full of corn prior to whatever caused the legs to spread and I'm a pretty big ole boy. As I stated several times earlier, the legs weren't staked because there were no hogs known anywhere near the ranch, only feral cattle that the pen has kept them away from the feeder for 5 years, the pen was lame I'll admit but it was what I had available when I found the cows on the place and they have shown no threat in that same amount of time. By looking at the ground in the picture, it appears we have hogs or at least some hogs passing thru. I'll get out there before long with a newly refurbished feeder, cattle panels and t-post/wire anchor the legs of the feeder and re-install my game cams. I'll take pictures of how the current set up looks before taking it all down/re-arranging, along with the new setup.

But the comparison of the old POC make shift feeders described was somewhat of an insult! I've maintained 7-15 feeders over the past ~30+ years, year around on multiple properties and never had one spread out like this one without it being turned over when not staked. I've got 3 currently at my own place outside of Bertam that is infested with hogs, none have pens or staked legs even, the hogs might shove them around a little bit when they are low on corn but never turned one over or did any damage to the legs.

this is how I normally stake the feeder legs down ... when no pen, cattle & hogs in the area...


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It looks like the work of hogs. They can tear up a bowling ball. Unless it happened on a full moon, then it was more than likely a chupacabra.


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yep, it was definitely hogs based on how deep they rooted almost the entire pen. I liked to never got two of the legs out of the ground as they were almost a foot deep in the rooted area when wet, then set up like concrete. Had to use a rock bar to get deep enough to free them. Anyway, old pen removed, new pen built with hog panels. New feeder back up and operational with t-post driven in at an angle & wired to feeder legs (just in case something gets thru the pen). game cam back up too.



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No base on the feeder legs, looks like you had some moisture, all three legs about equidistant. I bet you filled that can to the brim. Suspect this could be just plain old laws of physics.


^^^^^^^ This! Nothing leaned on those legs. Your legs aren't staked into the ground. All of that moisture on the ground enabled the weight of the barrel + feed to push down and bend the joints causing the legs to slide out. That is also what made the barrel cave in on its sides where the joints are. No pigs, no cows. Straight up physics IMO. Add stakes to the legs and they won't budge.


I agree. Looks like all the legs are bent the same to me so maybe it just collapsed. If not that then cows.

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Where do you hunt? South Texas?

about 40-45 miles southwest of Ozona, SW Crockett county.

the original pen top wire looked intact although a bit loose, no sign that cattle got in, was all 38-42 high all the way around. the bottom was a different story and very loose & rolled up almost knee high in several spots, hogs definitely could pass in and out with ease. I suspect it was the results of several rain events and hogs. the entire feed pen had been rooted over a foot deep, closer to 18 inches in spots, hard pack caliche with rocks up to volleyball size. it was not just the barrel collapsing under it's own weight without numerous other forces involved. Hopefully all resolved now.

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Black bear all over the area.

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hogs or a bear.

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Ground was saturated, legs shifted, the indentions are the stress of the legs sliding out. Metal fatigue plays are part with an older feeder drum.

Seen it on similar feeders.

I have a bowed-up feeder; made with angle iron and diamond plate, hogs pushed that over, amazing. If hogs had done this you there would be other more obvious evidence.

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Not being a jerk but...I think this feeder was so pathetic it committed suicide.


right ... I'll take the high road ... the feeder did not collapse from the weight of the feeder & corn, period! I wouldn't be afraid to sit on top of the barrel with it full of corn prior to whatever caused the legs to spread and I'm a pretty big ole boy. As I stated several times earlier, the legs weren't staked because there were no hogs known anywhere near the ranch, only feral cattle that the pen has kept them away from the feeder for 5 years, the pen was lame I'll admit but it was what I had available when I found the cows on the place and they have shown no threat in that same amount of time. By looking at the ground in the picture, it appears we have hogs or at least some hogs passing thru. I'll get out there before long with a newly refurbished feeder, cattle panels and t-post/wire anchor the legs of the feeder and re-install my game cams. I'll take pictures of how the current set up looks before taking it all down/re-arranging, along with the new setup.

But the comparison of the old POC make shift feeders described was somewhat of an insult! I've maintained 7-15 feeders over the past ~30+ years, year around on multiple properties and never had one spread out like this one without it being turned over when not staked. I've got 3 currently at my own place outside of Bertam that is infested with hogs, none have pens or staked legs even, the hogs might shove them around a little bit when they are low on corn but never turned one over or did any damage to the legs.

this is how I normally stake the feeder legs down ... when no pen, cattle & hogs in the area...



I would either trim the top of those T-Post off or run them parallel with the feeder legs. You don't want to fall on one while filling the feeder.

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Physics. Judging by the indication of moisture and the cracked soil around the feeder compared to elsewhere, I'll bet that water pools underneath and around that feeder and the legs kept sinking and spreading until it collapsed. Had something similar happen with a larger 4 legged feeder - so the legs were angled much straighter. Over the course of the season, it sunk more than 2 feet. Fortunately, it stayed level enough to keep using because we could not budge it - the suction was too great when it was wet and it was like cement when dry.

Prevented from happening again by placing the cheapest 2 ft by 2 ft patio stones I could find at Home Depot.

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Hogs man


This obviously.

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