My old TC Hawkins worked good on on two elk. One was taken above Toketee? Falls @ elk camus. Camus = isolated mountain meadow. Who wouldn't hunt one named Elk? The second in Beaver Salvage, another camus area a few miles from the first. Both shots right at 100yd, and +/- 3,000ft above sea level. Both traveled over 100yd (second one waay over) leaving good blood trails. I know the rifle can still do it - but my old body can't anymore.