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#6764979 - 05/15/17 05:52 PM Panache
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Does style matter to you?
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#6764989 - 05/15/17 06:10 PM Re: Panache [Re: bill oxner]
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Absolutely.
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#6764992 - 05/15/17 06:13 PM Re: Panache [Re: bill oxner]
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Yes. But I won't get rid of a dog if it isn't there

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#6764998 - 05/15/17 06:23 PM Re: Panache [Re: blanked]
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Yes. But I won't get rid of a dog if it isn't there


I'm the same way. They are here to stay when they come home with me. Cracker is lacking in that department but she's my dog.
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#6765090 - 05/15/17 07:46 PM Re: Panache [Re: bill oxner]
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One of the first things I look for in a pup. Put them on a wing and see how nice the tail might be, do they stop and stand tall or hunker down some. It doesn't cost anymore to feed a pretty one. If there are two that look good to you take the well marked one (or both of them) home. You wont know much about desire, nose and bid ability till later but if they have it all looks are a big plus.

You can tell a lot at eight weeks!




Edited by Chet (05/15/17 07:53 PM)

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#6765116 - 05/15/17 08:15 PM Re: Panache [Re: bill oxner]
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ET's red setters have panache in spades. An artist came down to do a painting. Here's his first sketch.



ET ask what I thought. My reply was that it was a tough job. I've never seen either tail that low and I liked to see them leaning in like this.



It's a tough job to catch them just right.
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#6765284 - 05/15/17 11:28 PM Re: Panache [Re: bill oxner]
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Picture No. 1 is a sketch?

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#6765301 - 05/16/17 02:34 AM Re: Panache [Re: bill oxner]
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ET should have wore his red coat and tie for the sketch

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#6765334 - 05/16/17 07:12 AM Re: Panache [Re: Chet]
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Originally Posted By: Chet
Picture No. 1 is a sketch?


Yes.

The continental breeds do not have tails but you can still recognize panache when you see it. My first training book was By Henry P. Davis. He likened class of bird dogs to pretty classy women. You know it when you see it.
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#6765541 - 05/16/17 10:32 AM Re: Panache [Re: bill oxner]
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Damn, so clear and crisp looks like a pic. I'd check with ET, cover looks way to clear.


Edited by Chet (05/16/17 11:17 AM)

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#6765632 - 05/16/17 12:00 PM Re: Panache [Re: bill oxner]
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I just take Chet's hand me downs. As long as they hunt I don't care what they look like.
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#6765637 - 05/16/17 12:04 PM Re: Panache [Re: bill oxner]
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I think panache in all aspects of upland bird hunting is what makes it so special.

Dogs, shotguns, attire (somewhat at least), social aspects, proper words to describe things, deference to gunning companions, leaving some birds, everything.

In other words, class.
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#6766708 - 05/17/17 11:35 AM Re: Panache [Re: bill oxner]
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I am with you Bill, not sure if its proper (with a capital P) form, but I like a little lean in as well which ends up with a point where the head is not as high as some guys like; guess thats personal preference.

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#6766730 - 05/17/17 12:08 PM Re: Panache [Re: bill oxner]
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I think it happens a lot less than it once did but people once styled their dogs up on point. It was part of the training program. I'm completely hands off in that area. I don't even set them back, but that's another topic.
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#6766731 - 05/17/17 12:09 PM Re: Panache [Re: bill oxner]
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If I am being honest, some of Jenny's points have "panache", and some don't.


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