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#6760903 - 05/11/17 07:37 AM 7-08 performance on game
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From time to time there have been posts on THF asking about "on game performance" of various calibers and factory ammo. I got a trip report last nite from an old friend who had gone "across the pond" last month and thought some of ya'll with those ??'s could take note.

Rifle: Winchester M70 Classic Grade Fwt 7-08. Ammo: Factory RP 140gr CL's, tally: 4 one shot kills on African Plains Game at the "normal hunting ranges" that the guide was able to achieve, probably under 200 yards, with 3 bullet pass throughs on Nyala, large Wart Hogs and a large Impala.

His hunting partner had similar experiences with a 30'06 and factory ammo that is the same package he use's on Texas WTails, and no discernable advantage in the larger caliber or ammo over the 7-08. As always, bullet placement is king.
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#6760922 - 05/11/17 07:54 AM Re: 7-08 performance on game [Re: WileyCoyote]
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Yes, the deer bullets we use here will work fine for the smaller, deer sized game in Africa. I have shot a lot of impala over there with a .223 and a Hornady soft point. Shoot them behind the shoulder and they are dead. I just got back yesterday from Namibia and shot 61 wildebeest and gems buck. The Sierra and Speer 180 grain soft points killed every one I shot, however, there are bullets that work much better on these 500-600 lb. animals. With Sierra/Speer, you have to shoot behind the shoulder and get into the lungs to be effective. Angles, off placement shots result in long tracking sessions. I used 7 different bullets on this hunt and cataloged their performance. The Speer bullets are slightly softer than the Sierra, and these two came in last in terms of performance. The Barnes worked OK, but did not get the expansion I was looking for. The top performers were both from Swift, the A Frame and Scirocco. Followed closely by the 200 grain Partition. Mid pack was Woodleigh. I used a .30-06 with 180's with the exception of the Woodleigh which was 240 grains and the Barnes which was 168 grains.

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#6760925 - 05/11/17 07:56 AM Re: 7-08 performance on game [Re: WileyCoyote]
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Bullet placement is always #1 - provided the cartridge is sufficient for the animals sought. The 7mm-08 is sufficient for most all African plains game at normal hunting ranges. That's been proven since the advent of the 7x57.

Would I hunt Cape Buffalo or lion with it? No. Nor would I with the .30-06. But if I had to choose between those two for Buff or lion, I'd take the '06.
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#6760928 - 05/11/17 07:59 AM Re: 7-08 performance on game [Re: jmm]
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Originally Posted By: jmm
Yes, the deer bullets we use here will work fine for the smaller, deer sized game in Africa. I have shot a lot of impala over there with a .223 and a Hornady soft point. Shoot them behind the shoulder and they are dead. I just got back yesterday from Namibia and shot 61 wildebeest and gems buck. The Sierra and Speer 180 grain soft points killed every one I shot, however, there are bullets that work much better on these 500-600 lb. animals. With Sierra/Speer, you have to shoot behind the shoulder and get into the lungs to be effective. Angles, off placement shots result in long tracking sessions. I used 7 different bullets on this hunt and cataloged their performance. The Speer bullets are slightly softer than the Sierra, and these two came in last in terms of performance. The Barnes worked OK, but did not get the expansion I was looking for. The top performers were both from Swift, the A Frame and Scirocco. Followed closely by the 200 grain Partition. Mid pack was Woodleigh. I used a .30-06 with 180's with the exception of the Woodleigh which was 240 grains and the Barnes which was 168 grains.


Thanks for that great post full of solid information.

The old Partition and Swift A Frame have sure continued to acquit themselves well for many, many years. Sure speaks well of them.
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That's the way I hunt don't know many that do. If a deer gets buy me I will try to run him down. Ive killed a bunch that way.



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#6760942 - 05/11/17 08:11 AM Re: 7-08 performance on game [Re: WileyCoyote]
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I've killed countless pigs, deer and coyotes with either the Nosler 120gr BT or the Hornady Amax/ELD and have never had an animal go more than 75yds with a majority dropping on impact.
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#6760955 - 05/11/17 08:22 AM Re: 7-08 performance on game [Re: WileyCoyote]
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The 7mm-08 will kill anything big enough to die. It's one of the greatest cartridges in the history of the world. grin
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#6760956 - 05/11/17 08:22 AM Re: 7-08 performance on game [Re: WileyCoyote]
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The 7-08 w/140 grain bullets has fast become my favorite combo of mild accuracy, killing efficiency, and just plain fun to shoot cartridge I own. I grab it first, every time nowadays, when headed out for hogs, whitetails, muleys, aoudad, antelope, and any other medium size game. I would't hesitate to use it on elk either, or African plains game up to eland size. I will say that the 120 Nosler BT is an amazing little slug, and is very tough.

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#6760968 - 05/11/17 08:28 AM Re: 7-08 performance on game [Re: WileyCoyote]
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Thanks for the post, Ron. Lots of good information.
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#6760988 - 05/11/17 08:44 AM Re: 7-08 performance on game [Re: WileyCoyote]
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The 7mm-08 wasn't even really on my radar until I came on here and read all you guys' accolades for it. Heck, I was grown before the cartridge came on the scene.

My oldest daughter now has a Tikka T3 in 7-08 and just bought my wife a Weatherby Camilla in 7-08.
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That's the way I hunt don't know many that do. If a deer gets buy me I will try to run him down. Ive killed a bunch that way.



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#6761090 - 05/11/17 10:21 AM Re: 7-08 performance on game [Re: WileyCoyote]
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I was surprised with my friends 7-08 being the rifle of choice, until I heard the back story on the Hunt that was purchased a couple years ago, and all the obstacles he had encountered to get the Hunt done. My friend has used a pre M700 30'06 since the early '50's for everything except prairie dogs and anything less than Grizz & Cape Buffalo...and has a rack full of DG to antique Empire Garden Guns to choose from. But the Permit's were locked in on the M70 7-08's SR # that was intended for his wife to use, who could not make the trip at the last minute..and ya dance with what you got. Again, bullet placement is King.

Gonna have to put some trigger time in on the M70 XTR 7x57 I picked up as a lark last fall...but I'll never get a chance to make it across the pond and will have to be satisfied with Big Piggies etc locally for a test medium.

Sooner or later I'll wind up with only 2-3 shooters in 1 or 2 calibers at most like the Original Mulligan Plan was conceived, as I am busier now in retirement than I ever was working fulltime and travelling regionally or nationally for a living...and a small sized 7mm Remmy or Mauser is looking better and better for a primary everyday 'lil Red Ridinghood shooter.
Ron
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#6761438 - 05/11/17 03:10 PM Re: 7-08 performance on game [Re: WileyCoyote]
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My favorite, by far. Think I have 6 or 7 rifles in 7mm-08.

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#6761696 - 05/11/17 06:59 PM Re: 7-08 performance on game [Re: WileyCoyote]
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Also my favorite caliber .

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#6761728 - 05/11/17 07:27 PM Re: 7-08 performance on game [Re: WileyCoyote]
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I've had great success with 140 grain ballistic tips and 140 gain accubonds. I wouldn't hesitate to bring it to Africa with any bonded or monometal bullet. It's a pleasure to shoot and just plain works.

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#6761827 - 05/11/17 08:48 PM Re: 7-08 performance on game [Re: WileyCoyote]
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Only shot 3 bucks with my CZ in 7-08 so far and each one was DRT using 120 grain factory Barnes TTSX. I have started going for a safer base-of-the-neck shot and have been surprised at how little meat I lost in the process since there isn't all that lead shrapnel with those shells.
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#6761860 - 05/11/17 09:20 PM Re: 7-08 performance on game [Re: pdugas]
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Originally Posted By: pdugas
Also my favorite caliber .


If I wiped the slate clean, and started over. I'd probably have about three of em.

25" heavy barrel for competition
16" light barrel to walk around with
16" AR platform.

Add a .223 or .22-250 and the short actions are covered.
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