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Doe Killing, What's your preference
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04/27/17 02:07 PM
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With the fawn numbers the past couple of years and probably another good one this year I'll need to take several Does off the ranch this year. What is your preference, take them out early in season or late and why?
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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04/27/17 02:19 PM
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I like to take them early. For one, they most likely won't have been bred yet so you aren't removing an offspring that might have been sired by your best buck. And, it reduces the doe pool so the better bucks are the ones most likely to be doing the breeding when the time comes. Secondly, it allows me to focus the rest of the season on finding a nice buck and not worry about having meat in the freezer. I can be more patient.
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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04/27/17 02:21 PM
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I like to take them early. For one, they most likely won't have been bred yet so you aren't removing an offspring that might have been sired by your best buck. And, it reduces the doe pool so the better bucks are the ones most likely to be doing the breeding when the time comes. Secondly, it allows me to focus the rest of the season on finding a nice buck and not worry about having meat in the freezer. I can be more patient.
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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04/27/17 03:02 PM
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I like to take them early. For one, they most likely won't have been bred yet so you aren't removing an offspring that might have been sired by your best buck. And, it reduces the doe pool so the better bucks are the ones most likely to be doing the breeding when the time comes. Secondly, it allows me to focus the rest of the season on finding a nice buck and not worry about having meat in the freezer. I can be more patient. agreed
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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04/27/17 03:10 PM
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Whenever I can. Bred or not.
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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04/27/17 03:15 PM
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Anytime but ill try to take a decent number early if ive gotta take alot of them.
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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04/27/17 03:52 PM
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....call me crazy but I want as many hot girls running around during the rut as possible....that said, I try to take a doe in bow season....usually only take 1 per season however I will take a second late in the season if I'm not able to get the right buck in the scope..... but I agree that numbers are probably going to be up as a result of favorable range conditions the last few years.
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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04/27/17 03:56 PM
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We shoot them late.
There are more does holding our bucks around and pulling other bucks in Keeps the pressure down and pasture quiet Your eliminating the same offspring no matter what, just in one instance they are never bread.
Chances are the majority of the deer running around on a low fence property carry some bit of the genetic makeup to create your best buck it just requires the right combo and chance to happen. Just because you have an awesome buck doesn't mean his offspring will look anything like him.
It's hell eatin em live
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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04/27/17 03:59 PM
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We have had years of good rainfall and conditions. After hardship populations rebound at really fast rates through increased recruitment. As the population reaches carrying capacity the recruitment rat should decline to meet die off. If it took more than a year or two to get your population back up there is something more affecting it than just the drought.
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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04/27/17 04:10 PM
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Whenever I can. Bred or not. My take on it. There are arguments to both sides of the coin. I tend to favor the "shoot them late" mentality to reduce completion, buck mortality and broken horns. But, if you have to take large numbers you do it when you can, where you can. These doe killing missions I see people putting on late in the season often fail due to the number of deer they need to take in a limited time span and them getting wise to pressure. I started early and finished late when I needed to when we were running a hunting ranch. Now my doe kills are really whenever I feel like it. It also depends on the property, you do it different on a large hf place vs. a small low fence place And yes, I do get a kick out of sitting in a tower and ending the hunt with 5 or 6 does laying around. Good Practice and really a great learning experience as to how deer react after the shot and bullet performance
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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04/27/17 04:12 PM
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We have had years of good rainfall and conditions. After hardship populations rebound at really fast rates through increased recruitment. As the population reaches carrying capacity the recruitment rat should decline to meet die off. If it took more than a year or two to get your population back up there is something more affecting it than just the drought. IME people always forget about predators.
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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04/27/17 11:02 PM
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Earlier the better for me. Unless i have a big deer to chase and want to keep the area calm. We also try to shoot doe away from the stands and feeders. Corn the roads, off to the side of my setup ect....
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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04/27/17 11:08 PM
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Can see good arguments for both sides but think I fall more toward early. Maybe its the itch to get meat in the freezer so I could hunt a good buck the rest of the season. Interesting topic.
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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04/28/17 12:03 AM
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We usually have a bunch to kill so we get on them in October. Then, we try to let the ranch settle down for the rut and kill the rest in Jan, Feb. But, they get much harder to find late season.
Figure one upside is there are less months to feed in the late winter when the land is at its least.
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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04/28/17 03:42 AM
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depends on who is in the stand. My sons and nephews are all getting pretty good at hunting and are pretty hard on the deer population. Last year there were a crap ton of goofy looking bucks, so they kept busy shooting the 3 points, unicorns, and goat horn spikes and I got to bump a couple of does late in the year. We try to take a couple early, but we don't get terribly bent out of shape about when it happens.
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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04/28/17 12:29 PM
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shoot the first one you see, then the one standing next to her, and then then next one until there are no more does or your out of tags.
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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04/28/17 12:59 PM
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Late, being any time in December as I keep fetus measurements with conception dates. Just like our bucks, select mature animals to be taken.
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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04/28/17 04:11 PM
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I like late, but for a different reason than most. Late is when the colder weather hits and I absolutely hate dealing with a dead deer when it's warm.
Silver spurs and gold tequila keep me hanging on. Pretty girls and old cantinas give me shelter from the storm.
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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04/28/17 04:12 PM
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Take them when you can...
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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04/28/17 04:24 PM
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At my new place you can shoot a doe, and by the time you collect her, there are 12 more back on the corn completely oblivious to the fact that you're eviscerating one of their own 10 yards away.
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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04/29/17 01:23 PM
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Whenever I can. Bred or not.
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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04/29/17 01:43 PM
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If I take one it is always late in the season for four reasons. I am in N. TX on small acreage so what works for me might not be as relevant if you are on big tracts of land. 1. The main part of the rut in N. TX is early from around 11-5 to 11-20 so I do not want to shoot a doe early and spook the deer onto neighbors property. 2. Firm believer in he who has the does during the Rut, will have the best opportunity of seeing more bucks. 3. I feed year round, have a food plot so the does are eating plenty all season long. Your does will have less bugs like ticks and fleas on them after a few good freezes and probably less parasites. 4. If you have does that did not breed in the first estrus cycle during the rut, good chance she might come back in heat later in the season and give you a better or another chance of seeing that buck
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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05/01/17 05:17 PM
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If it's a noisy doe bleating at me and they need thinning out anyways, it's taken out as the opportunity arises. I just talk d with my biologist about this a month ago and he said early would be better. That's what I will go by.
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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05/01/17 07:14 PM
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If it's a noisy doe bleating at me and they need thinning out anyways, it's taken out as the opportunity arises. I just talk d with my biologist about this a month ago and he said early would be better. That's what I will go by. The snorting/blowing doe always gets what's comming to her early. Had a doe blowing at us all last season from bow thru rifle. She was missing half her ear so made her easy to spot. I kept giving her passes and I never did get her. I see her this year I'm killing her I don't care if I see her the first 5 min into the bow opener
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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05/01/17 09:20 PM
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Your old does are more apt to breed with the older bucks deep back in the brush and cull bucks are more aggressive breeders according to Texas A&M studies.
I shoot does that are between first year and 1 1/2 years old because the taste better and skin easier.
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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05/01/17 09:50 PM
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If I take one it is always late in the season for four reasons. I am in N. TX on small acreage so what works for me might not be as relevant if you are on big tracts of land. 1. The main part of the rut in N. TX is early from around 11-5 to 11-20 so I do not want to shoot a doe early and spook the deer onto neighbors property. 2. Firm believer in he who has the does during the Rut, will have the best opportunity of seeing more bucks. 3. I feed year round, have a food plot so the does are eating plenty all season long. Your does will have less bugs like ticks and fleas on them after a few good freezes and probably less parasites. 4. If you have does that did not breed in the first estrus cycle during the rut, good chance she might come back in heat later in the season and give you a better or another chance of seeing that buck Spot on right there. Right down to the bugs.
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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05/01/17 10:20 PM
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Take them when you can... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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05/01/17 11:57 PM
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I won't take one at all, period, unless there is some special need or circumstance.
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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05/01/17 11:59 PM
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I guess I should qualify that with the fact that I started hunting in the 80s when deer were few and far between around the family ranch. So those habits stuck with me like glue.
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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05/02/17 12:19 AM
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I'll kill a doe whenever I have time to butcher one regardless of what time of season it is. If I don't have time to mess with her I'll let her walk. I'm the same way with young hogs. Big hogs never get a pass.
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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05/02/17 12:48 AM
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We have a doe first policy on our place. so it's always early and opening weekend if at all possible.
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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05/02/17 01:21 AM
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I like to do it early if I can. It really depends on the property size and HF or LF. Also how many does need to be killed MLD or not. There is not on simple answer. On the other side I like to shoot them with my Pistols, archery if I can, or at super long range.
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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05/02/17 03:38 AM
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I like to do it early if I can. It really depends on the property size and HF or LF. Also how many does need to be killed MLD or not. There is not on simple answer. On the other side I like to shoot them with my Pistols, archery if I can, or at super long range. No simple answer for sure. Hunted on several MLD ranches for quite a few years and we always had a quota that had to be shot to stay in the program. Sometimes it was not many, other times it was a ton. On some places, the rule was does or spikes/cull bucks only in the early season and no trophies until after the start of regular rifle. Liked to get mine down early so I could focus on buck hunting later in the season and always found the guys who didn't kill their does by the 2nd week in November ended up not killing their quota. One rancher had a rule that you couldn't kill a buck until you had killed at least one doe, sometimes two depending on that year's quota.
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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05/03/17 02:12 AM
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Our deer population is too high so it reallly does not matter. I prefer to take a doe without fawns and is a ethical easy kill. I hunt every weekend
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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05/03/17 12:35 PM
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I take them both early and late. It depends on how many people want sausage out of my smokehouse. The actual "hunt" for me is my time in the woods, but I do love both making and eating sausage.
I Feed Indian Corn. The deer love it and all the colors make them stay at the feeder longer.
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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05/03/17 03:52 PM
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One thing I will add is don't shoot your does over a feeder if you have to take a good number and can help it.
Shoot them in a field or in a road over thrown corn.
Deer get wise to pressure at feeders quick
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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05/03/17 03:56 PM
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Unless they grow up on a feeder lol I killed a fawns mom at my feeder the first year I got the place and she hasn't left the area in 4 years.. and has twins every year
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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05/03/17 07:01 PM
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One thing I will add is don't shoot your does over a feeder if you have to take a good number and can help it.
Shoot them in a field or in a road over thrown corn.
Deer get wise to pressure at feeders quick I believe in that. I also will take my opportunity to shoot a doe if she is the last one their after everything else has wondered off for the hunt.
It's hell eatin em live
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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05/03/17 07:20 PM
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Unless they grow up on a feeder lol I killed a fawns mom at my feeder the first year I got the place and she hasn't left the area in 4 years.. and has twins every year From what I hear bucks will do the same thing if you Kill their mom Buddy of mine has 20 acres in the hill country and had a buck that pretty much lives in his yards....has for the past 6 years. He thinks he shot his mom while they were all under the feeder
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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05/03/17 09:00 PM
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I have intentionally shot a doe with two buck fawns for that reason... has it paid off, ill probably never know.
Buddy of mine shot a doe last year out of one of our stands with a 3030. He hit high and forward in the shoulder deer fell and then ran. She has now showed back up to the same blind she was shot at with a big scar and is a regular almost every feeding.
It's hell eatin em live
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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05/03/17 10:17 PM
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Unless they grow up on a feeder lol I killed a fawns mom at my feeder the first year I got the place and she hasn't left the area in 4 years.. and has twins every year From what I hear bucks will do the same thing if you Kill their mom Buddy of mine has 20 acres in the hill country and had a buck that pretty much lives in his yards....has for the past 6 years. He thinks he shot his mom while they were all under the feeder On another note iv always only bow hunted my property and seems to pay off with keeping the numbers around on the small place.. I also feed them better than I do myself so may have that to do with it to
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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05/03/17 10:58 PM
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I shoot them when I think it is time to make sausage.
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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05/03/17 11:07 PM
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I shoot them when I think it is time to make sausage.
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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05/03/17 11:59 PM
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All depends ... I went for years waiting until the end of season to take does ... then didn't see any.
one of my current leases is MLD3 and they want does taken before you take your bucks, which is fine, takes some pressure off putting meat in the freezer. Then late in the season, if there are doe tags left over (bucks too for that matter) we will get extra tag(s) depending on the kill count.
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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05/04/17 11:02 AM
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I know a couple of places that choose to shoot does when they are fawns. They wait till late in the season when the buck fawns are more obvious. Any doe fawns that are left are allowed to grow up.
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
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05/04/17 03:47 PM
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Skylar Mac
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I like to take them early. For one, they most likely won't have been bred yet so you aren't removing an offspring that might have been sired by your best buck. And, it reduces the doe pool so the better bucks are the ones most likely to be doing the breeding when the time comes. Secondly, it allows me to focus the rest of the season on finding a nice buck and not worry about having meat in the freezer. I can be more patient. agreed I'm the same way. You wouldn't believe the crazy looks I get from passing up does after the rut.
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
[Re: don k]
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05/05/17 12:50 PM
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redchevy
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I shoot them when I think it is time to make sausage. My dad shoots them when there are helping hands around
It's hell eatin em live
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
[Re: Stompy]
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05/17/17 12:16 PM
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HWY_MAN
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Most of the time I leave the does alone but this year was an exception since the hunters I had out didn't take enough, so I took a couple. Unless we hit another long dry spell I may have to do it again this year. I do it late preferably after the rut, the more ladies available just means more opportunity for bigger bucks.
Yes! A Weatherby does kill them deader.
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
[Re: Stompy]
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05/22/17 09:17 PM
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TiggerV
Bird Dog
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I do my very best to shoot them in October with a bow....
If that does not work, I get them some time between Early November and Late January......
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
[Re: Stompy]
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05/22/17 10:55 PM
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Erathkid
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Haven't killed one in 18 years on the homeplace. Just not enough of them to justify. Last year only saw 3 doe. Saw probably 10 different bucks.
Last edited by Erathkid; 05/22/17 10:55 PM.
Life is too short, as is. Don't chance it. Don't text and drive.
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Re: Doe Killing, What's your preference
[Re: Stompy]
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06/04/17 04:25 PM
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MikeBerg
Green Horn
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Green Horn
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Sorry for getting in between the conversation. I am a complete noob in hunting. I have to purchase a compound bow for the hunting season in 2017. I was going through this post for the same : http://bestcompoundbowsreviews.com/best-compound-bow-money-reviews/Can you please guide me to choose the correct bow. I am 23 years old and have 5.10 feet height. Thanks!!
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