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HB 1911 Permitless to Carry #6742831 04/22/17 02:40 PM
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I believe this goes up to vote Tuesday, but we might not want it to pass:

http://eaglerising.com/43005/the-truth-about-texass-permitless-carry-bill/


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What's the big deal? Looks like they are comparing apples to oranges in the article.

You have to be 21 to purchase a handgun, 18 to purchase a long gun. confused2


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Re: HB 1911 Permitless to Carry [Re: TreeBass] #6743462 04/23/17 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted By: TreeBass
What's the big deal? Looks like they are comparing apples to oranges in the article.

You have to be 21 to purchase a handgun, 18 to purchase a long gun. confused2


It was this part that perked my ears:

“If you get behind on your taxes – no right to carry,” he added. “If you’re delinquent on your child support – no right to carry. If you are arrested for a crime (whether you committed it or not) – no right to carry until your case is resolved. If you are convicted of or plead to ANY class B misdemeanor or higher, you lose your right to carry for five years.”

“It also requires that you sacrifice your 1st amendment free speech because if you are charged and/or convicted for using profanity or flipping the bird in public, you lose your right to carry,” he continued. “While it may sound absurd, it’s also within the law to lose your rights for farting in public (see Texas Penal Code 42.01).”


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Re: HB 1911 Permitless to Carry [Re: leswad] #6743572 04/23/17 01:55 PM
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What's the big deal? Looks like they are comparing apples to oranges in the article.

You have to be 21 to purchase a handgun, 18 to purchase a long gun. confused2


It was this part that perked my ears:

“If you get behind on your taxes – no right to carry,” he added. “If you’re delinquent on your child support – no right to carry. If you are arrested for a crime (whether you committed it or not) – no right to carry until your case is resolved. If you are convicted of or plead to ANY class B misdemeanor or higher, you lose your right to carry for five years.”

“It also requires that you sacrifice your 1st amendment free speech because if you are charged and/or convicted for using profanity or flipping the bird in public, you lose your right to carry,” he continued. “While it may sound absurd, it’s also within the law to lose your rights for farting in public (see Texas Penal Code 42.01).”


I may be missing it, but I can't find any of that in the bill. As far as the farting in public, that is absolute garbage. It is not illegal to fart in public, the Disorderly Conduct statute they cite says "creates, by chemical means, a noxious and unreasonable odor in a public place". They are embellishing things to make a point.


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Re: HB 1911 Permitless to Carry [Re: leswad] #6743579 04/23/17 01:58 PM
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As I see Chapter 42, it is one reasonableness. It is heavily centered around a persons conduct in public as it relates to: "Tends to incite an immediate breach of the peace." It also covers window peeping and displaying a weapon in "a manner calculated to cause alarm." Reasonable code of conduct.

It clearly says that "significant provocation abusive or threatening conduct, is a defense." So, if someone provokes you in a significant way, you can indeed cuss them out and flip them off.

On the fart comment, it says: "creates, by chemical means, a noxious and unreasonable odor in a public place." Any level of reasonableness would not include a fart..... Tell what judge or DA would want their name on the internet for that one!

I am extremely sensitive to loss if individual liberties and rights. I can easily get on my soap box about how loss of rights is creeping up on us daily, and how we must remain vigilant.

Somehow I can't see raising a bunch red flags about gun rights loss over this. Can someone tell me what I am missing on this particular reference?

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Re: HB 1911 Permitless to Carry [Re: leswad] #6743591 04/23/17 02:12 PM
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Griss, looks you were posting while I was still typing.

But I will add that, I learned to spell "embellishing" more simplistically: BS

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Originally Posted By: Marc in Bastrop
Griss, looks you were posting while I was still typing.

But I will add that, I learned to spell "embellishing" more simplistically: BS

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I try to play nice when I can, but your spelling is more accurate. grin


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Re: HB 1911 Permitless to Carry [Re: leswad] #6744626 04/24/17 06:37 PM
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But then I type too fast for my brain to proof........
Sorry, Grizz!


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Re: HB 1911 Permitless to Carry [Re: leswad] #6745380 04/25/17 02:59 PM
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I am more partial to HB1911 than HB375. I just don't Like the wording in 375 that the small things make you a felon vs. 1911 that is a misdemeanor. That is if I am understanding the wording correctly.


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Originally Posted By: leswad


It was this part that perked my ears:

“If you get behind on your taxes – no right to carry,” he added. “If you’re delinquent on your child support – no right to carry. If you are arrested for a crime (whether you committed it or not) – no right to carry until your case is resolved. If you are convicted of or plead to ANY class B misdemeanor or higher, you lose your right to carry for five years.”

“It also requires that you sacrifice your 1st amendment free speech because if you are charged and/or convicted for using profanity or flipping the bird in public, you lose your right to carry,” he continued. “While it may sound absurd, it’s also within the law to lose your rights for farting in public (see Texas Penal Code 42.01).”


The way I look at it is the use of respect . If a person has an attitude problem and needs to use profanity and hand signs when they get upset then myself would not want to be around them . Who knows when they may get beyond mad and start pointing or waving around their pistol , that is a threat and could be fatal to that person not only from LEOs' but from another carrier that respects the situation and handgun and may feel threatened . A handgun license only gives you permission to carry a handgun soley for the purpose of self protection . If a problem arrises and does not involve you , you could be arrested and charged with a deadly weapon unless a person is being attacked and has no way to protect themselves and it's a matter of life and death .

In your first paragraph I can't say I agree or not . I know that's a way of making you pay your taxes or child support . Of course if your paying child support and miss payments for reasons acceptable that's fine but if you stop paying because of dispute between you and the ex then that's wrong . If you make babies , take care of them reguardless the factor ! As far as being convicted of any crime I don't believe you should have a license at all if convicted . As I mentioned above , a handgun is a deadly weapon . It demands respect in all manners and attitudes . If you cannot respect that about a deadly weapon you don't need to be carrying .

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Originally Posted By: ronlhodges
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It was this part that perked my ears:

“If you get behind on your taxes – no right to carry,” he added. “If you’re delinquent on your child support – no right to carry. If you are arrested for a crime (whether you committed it or not) – no right to carry until your case is resolved. If you are convicted of or plead to ANY class B misdemeanor or higher, you lose your right to carry for five years.”

“It also requires that you sacrifice your 1st amendment free speech because if you are charged and/or convicted for using profanity or flipping the bird in public, you lose your right to carry,” he continued. “While it may sound absurd, it’s also within the law to lose your rights for farting in public (see Texas Penal Code 42.01).”


The way I look at it is the use of respect . If a person has an attitude problem and needs to use profanity and hand signs when they get upset then myself would not want to be around them . Who knows when they may get beyond mad and start pointing or waving around their pistol , that is a threat and could be fatal to that person not only from LEOs' but from another carrier that respects the situation and handgun and may feel threatened . A handgun license only gives you permission to carry a handgun soley for the purpose of self protection . If a problem arrises and does not involve you , you could be arrested and charged with a deadly weapon unless a person is being attacked and has no way to protect themselves and it's a matter of life and death .

In your first paragraph I can't say I agree or not . I know that's a way of making you pay your taxes or child support . Of course if your paying child support and miss payments for reasons acceptable that's fine but if you stop paying because of dispute between you and the ex then that's wrong . If you make babies , take care of them reguardless the factor ! As far as being convicted of any crime I don't believe you should have a license at all if convicted . As I mentioned above , a handgun is a deadly weapon . It demands respect in all manners and attitudes . If you cannot respect that about a deadly weapon you don't need to be carrying .


my thoughts as well up there are some folks that currently have a concealed carry license that I wouldn't even go to the range with due to their attitudes and "john wayne sysndrome". But yet they are authorized to carry.

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Re: HB 1911 Permitless to Carry [Re: TreeBass] #6746030 04/26/17 01:36 AM
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my thoughts as well up there are some folks that currently have a concealed carry license that I wouldn't even go to the range with due to their attitudes and "john wayne sysndrome". But yet they are authorized to carry.

The program isn't perfect, and Darwin will weed out the stupid, hopefully before they hurt someone


That's pretty much how I feel about drivers licenses......

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Would this apply to concealed carry, open carry or both?


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Would this apply to concealed carry, open carry or both?


HB 1911 Generally gives any Texas resident who meets the qualifications to get a LTC the right to carry either open or concealed without the LTC. 30.06 / 30.07 posters would be changed to include non licensed carry.

HB 1911 would not do away with the TX LTC, it would simply make it optional. You will still have a few more advantages with the LTC (the big one is reciprocity states) I have red that you will not be able to go into any place that sells alcohol without a license, but that is fogy to me I can not find that language any where. I will KEEP my LTC.

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As I mentioned above , a handgun is a deadly weapon . It demands respect in all manners and attitudes . If you cannot respect that about a deadly weapon you don't need to be carrying .


Yep. There are an awful lot of hootleheads out there. I don't mind a CC class weeding out a few.


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Originally Posted By: Palehorse
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As I mentioned above , a handgun is a deadly weapon . It demands respect in all manners and attitudes . If you cannot respect that about a deadly weapon you don't need to be carrying .


Yep. There are an awful lot of hootleheads out there. I don't mind a CC class weeding out a few.



You're lying to yourself if you think any significant number of people get weeded out by a CHL class. My CHL instructor said no one had ever failed and only one person even had to retake the shooting test, once. If that is a legitimate concern the shooting test should be harder, it is a joke as is.

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As I mentioned above , a handgun is a deadly weapon . It demands respect in all manners and attitudes . If you cannot respect that about a deadly weapon you don't need to be carrying .


Yep. There are an awful lot of hootleheads out there. I don't mind a CC class weeding out a few.


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As I mentioned above , a handgun is a deadly weapon . It demands respect in all manners and attitudes . If you cannot respect that about a deadly weapon you don't need to be carrying .


Yep. There are an awful lot of hootleheads out there. I don't mind a CC class weeding out a few.



You're lying to yourself if you think any significant number of people get weeded out by a CHL class. My CHL instructor said no one had ever failed and only one person even had to retake the shooting test, once. If that is a legitimate concern the shooting test should be harder, it is a joke as is.


You're absolutely right about the class not weeding anyone out, but the background check will weed some out. If anyone can't pass the LTC qualification course they probably don't need to be in the same county as a gun.


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