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#6741240 - 04/20/17 04:54 PM Re: Old 4x4 vs UTV for mud? [Re: Dien]
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Originally Posted By: Dien
Are y'all saying a stock UTV has a better chance then a lifted 4x4 with 35 mud terrains? Not talking about a full blown mudding truck but the ones you see on thebstteet everyday.


Stock for stock, yes. I'd say that.

You can start modifying one or both, but then you'll start breaking stuff and having maintenance issues. I think you'd be shocked what a stock Mule or Ranger would go thru w/o breaking a sweat.

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#6741438 - 04/20/17 08:11 PM Re: Old 4x4 vs UTV for mud? [Re: Mr. T.]
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Originally Posted By: Mr. T.
My vote is for a UTV. But then I have a winch on mine. Having a winch guarantees you that you wont get stuck.


That's a foolish guarantee.

This guy proved that wrong.



Edited by z71dustin (04/20/17 08:17 PM)

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#6741489 - 04/20/17 08:49 PM Re: Old 4x4 vs UTV for mud? [Re: z71dustin]
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Originally Posted By: z71dustin
Originally Posted By: Mr. T.
My vote is for a UTV. But then I have a winch on mine. Having a winch guarantees you that you wont get stuck.


That's a foolish guarantee.

This guy proved that wrong.



You missed my point....if you have one, you will never need one. The guy in the photo above must be a democrat Only a democrat will have all the tools to get something done but will still want someone to help them.....a handout if you will.
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#6741494 - 04/20/17 08:54 PM Re: Old 4x4 vs UTV for mud? [Re: Mr. T.]
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Originally Posted By: Mr. T.
Originally Posted By: z71dustin
Originally Posted By: Mr. T.
My vote is for a UTV. But then I have a winch on mine. Having a winch guarantees you that you wont get stuck.


That's a foolish guarantee.

This guy proved that wrong.



You missed my point....if you have one, you will never need one. The guy in the photo above must be a democrat Only a democrat will have all the tools to get something done but will still want someone to help them.....a handout if you will.


He did come and find us and ask for help but a jeep with a 8klb warn winch snatch blocked to him and tied off to another jeep that was tied off to a tree never moved him.

A winch doesn't guarantee anything.

Mud sucks.

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#6741546 - 04/20/17 09:46 PM Re: Old 4x4 vs UTV for mud? [Re: Dien]
Dien Offline
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Yea not trying to go anything like that, I hope.

But how did he get out then if you couldn't winch him out?

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#6741607 - 04/20/17 11:22 PM Re: Old 4x4 vs UTV for mud? [Re: z71dustin]
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[/quote]


He did come and find us and ask for help but a jeep with a 8klb warn winch snatch blocked to him and tied off to another jeep that was tied off to a tree never moved him.

A winch doesn't guarantee anything.

Mud sucks. [/quote]

A jeep with a 8Klb winch and snatch block rating at 16klbs tied off to whatever could not pull out a 1500lb UTV......Ya well not only was the UTV owner a democrat....so were both the jeep owners....and the damn tree. That is ridiculous.

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#6741729 - 04/21/17 08:04 AM Re: Old 4x4 vs UTV for mud? [Re: Dien]
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I got my truck stuck once, pretty deep with practically no tread.
Friend with a jeep pulled me out with a 8000 lb winch. Winch wasnt strong enough, so one person controlled the winch, they backed their jeep up and I floored it.
We got it out no problem. Sometimes a winch alone won't do it, but it definitely helps.
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#6741746 - 04/21/17 08:31 AM Re: Old 4x4 vs UTV for mud? [Re: Stykes]
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Originally Posted By: Stykes


A jeep with a 8Klb winch and snatch block rating at 16klbs tied off to whatever could not pull out a 1500lb UTV......Ya well not only was the UTV owner a democrat....so were both the jeep owners....and the damn tree. That is ridiculous.


It was more quicksand than mud. He needed a backhoe to pull him up and out. But I'm sure y'all could have done it vs a couple of guys with built jeeps that wheel every other weekend.

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#6741935 - 04/21/17 11:25 AM Re: Old 4x4 vs UTV for mud? [Re: Dien]
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Been stuck in both. Utv was easier to get out.

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#6743251 - 04/22/17 07:17 PM Re: Old 4x4 vs UTV for mud? [Re: 68rustbucket]
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Originally Posted By: 68rustbucket
Original style Toyota 4x4, or early model bronco


Yes sir . I would rather have old iron any day .

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#6743481 - 04/23/17 12:27 AM Re: Old 4x4 vs UTV for mud? [Re: Mr. T.]
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Originally Posted By: Mr. T.
My vote is for a UTV. But then I have a winch on mine. Having a winch guarantees you that you wont get stuck.


A small correction if I may...

A winch doesn't guarantee you won't get stuck any more than an umbrella guarantees it won't rain. A winch CAN help make sure you don't remain stuck. Of course, don't go into a mud hole without a suitable winch point in reach or you are just screwed.

To answer the question, at our ranch we have 4x4s, tractors, dozers, UTVs and ATV's. When it is muddy, we leave all the heavy stuff put up and use the ATVs and UTVs. They simply are better for the job. They go through the soft stuff better and don't tear the place up. Nothing pisses off a landowner more than ruts everywhere after a rain. We lease one piece of our property to hunters. If they brought in modded off-road trucks and tore the place up, we would have new hunters next year.
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#6743504 - 04/23/17 06:53 AM Re: Old 4x4 vs UTV for mud? [Re: Dien]
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#6744353 - 04/24/17 08:15 AM Re: Old 4x4 vs UTV for mud? [Re: Dien]
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I vote in the mud a utv/atv will walk circles around any truck be it a lifted 3/4 ton or a lifted Tacoma. The weight is on the utv's side.
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#6751612 - 05/01/17 06:43 PM Re: Old 4x4 vs UTV for mud? [Re: Dien]
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UTV for me. I pulled out a Chevy stuck in a creek (along with another UTV to help). Each of us have 4000 lb winches. My UTV has the highest ground (stock) clearance of any on the market - Mahindra mPact 750 single cab. With a long wheelbase on the UTV crew cabs they are a bit more likely to get stuck. No way I would drive a 1/2 or 3/4 ton truck lifted or not with mud tires through the soupy swampy mess. I go to hunt, not rut up roads or spend time trying to get unstuck. Plus a UTV can get you through alternate routes around mud holes that a truck can't.
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#6751692 - 05/01/17 07:50 PM Re: Old 4x4 vs UTV for mud? [Re: Dien]
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Registered: 04/21/17
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Loc: Freeport,Tx
I guess most people will just find a way to make whatever they have work.

If I'm starting from zero, it would depend on the type of "bad spots". For something like what's in the pic before, I would want a lighter, lifted and locked full size 4x4. It would straddle that mud hole better, but it wouldn't turn on a dime like that side by side.

Yes, I know "lighter" is tough for a full size, but that's just what my Jeep Wagoneer is. At least compared to a modern pickup. My Wag weighs 4400 lbs stock. About 4150-4200 lbs when I'm through with it. Fully locked, and I would put some Swampers on it for terrain like that.

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