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#6739060 - 04/18/17 08:35 PM Ranking Scopes based on glass first Turrets second
Deerhunter61 Online   content
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Registered: 08/27/08
Posts: 6318
Loc: DFW
Guys,

I am looking to purchase a scope with Turrets but I also want really good glass. I am leaning toward Zeiss Conquest HD 5-25X50. It will go on a hunting rifle, probably my 300 mag.

I am looking to purchase a CZ 512 and instead of buying a scope for it I want to upgrade one of my hunting scopes and use the scope currently on the hunting rifle for my .22.

I am looking to spend $750 to no more than $1250.

So the list of the brands I have looked at:

Nightforce SHV 4-14X56 - seems I have read they are weak on the glass side.

Burris - I own an inexpensive one and am totally unhappy with the glass on it so I have a sour taste on the brand....I mean CHEAP glass.

Sig Sauer Tango 4 4-16X44- I have heard pretty good stuff about this brand but the scope I'm interested in no one seems to have it in stock.

Steiner GS3 4-20X50 - I have heard they have pretty good glass but...
Steiner 3-15X50 4A

Swaro Z5 5-25X52 BT 4W - A little more than I want to spend but glass is supposed to be excellent.

Has anyone owned used one of the above? Feedback?

So for the money which one provides the most value...this is primarily going to be used for hunting.

Please do not critique my choses on magnification...I am not saying that I will turn them up to the highest but I want the option...and I definitely want at least 14X on the top end.


Edited by Deerhunter61 (04/18/17 08:36 PM)

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#6739129 - 04/18/17 09:38 PM Re: Ranking Scopes based on glass first Turrets second [Re: Deerhunter61]
RedSnake Offline
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Take a hard look at the Burris xtr ii
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#6739134 - 04/18/17 09:48 PM Re: Ranking Scopes based on glass first Turrets second [Re: Deerhunter61]
Txhuntr2 Offline
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Registered: 02/19/12
Posts: 392
Loc: Houston and Val Verde
I have a zeiss 6.5-20x50 with target turrets. The glass is awesome. I sold a viper pst bc the glass was lacking to buy the zeiss. I'm sure the newer zeiss is even better. The only downside is it's not tacticool. No zero stop or fancy illuminated reticle but it holds a zero, dials well and is very crisp and clear, even at full magnification.

If you are interested, I have been itching to upgrade to an NXS so my zeiss will probably be for sale soon.

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#6739176 - 04/18/17 10:45 PM Re: Ranking Scopes based on glass first Turrets second [Re: Deerhunter61]
chital_shikari Offline
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How far do you plan on shooting? How much extreme-low light shooting are you going to be doing?

I've a Conquest 4.5-14x50. It's great for both of these things, thought it doesn't have any windage holds and I suck at wind calculation/holding, I have shot out to 400yd with it. Killed animals out to 300.

Friend has the Swaro Z5. It's barely brighter than my Conquest, if it is; I haven't seen the difference. Doesn't really have turret options, though, and the Conquest and HD5 do.

One downside of the Conquest line is that they are in .25 INCH clicks, not .25 MOA clicks. That screws your math past 300yd (from what I understand whilst asking Chad about it), and you have to go IPHY (inches per hundred yards) instead of MOA. I personally liked MOA better than IPHY, and MILs are easier, from what I understand.

I wouldn't cut short the TANGO4. Saw a gentleman at the range shooting lights-out with it at 200yd and it wasn't his gun, but he liked the glass. Burris XTR II has a lot of attention and a THF following; I looked through it and darn is it clear...also fatter than a banana roflmao

If you're shooting within 300yd then go Zeiss. If you want to reach out to 5, maybe further, I'd say go XTRII.

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#6739185 - 04/18/17 10:51 PM Re: Ranking Scopes based on glass first Turrets second [Re: RedSnake]
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Originally Posted By: RedSnake
Take a hard look at the Burris xtr ii


I would. I know you expressed your opinion on them based on lower models but take a look and see what you think.

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#6739195 - 04/18/17 10:59 PM Re: Ranking Scopes based on glass first Turrets second [Re: Deerhunter61]
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Registered: 08/04/12
Posts: 1250
Loc: Greenville, TX
Look at the Vortex Razor LH. It smokes all the other glass I own, including PST, Meopta, Nightforce, Bushnell Elite and more. It was built to be a hunting scope with great glass, a great reticle, and very capable capped turrets.
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#6739299 - 04/19/17 07:02 AM Re: Ranking Scopes based on glass first Turrets second [Re: Deerhunter61]
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Meoptas are great glass for the money.
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#6739314 - 04/19/17 07:18 AM Re: Ranking Scopes based on glass first Turrets second [Re: Deerhunter61]
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Registered: 05/25/13
Posts: 366
Loc: Frisco
The Vortex Razor LH is a really nice hunting scope with excellent glass. Bought one last month for a friend and had a few days to check it out. Meopta has nice glass as well.

Only had a few minutes with the Zeiss you are considering and it left me with a good impression of the view for a high powered configuration.
Burris XTR and XTR II have mediocre glass and are HUGE .


Edited by RHutch (04/19/17 07:20 AM)

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#6739322 - 04/19/17 07:27 AM Re: Ranking Scopes based on glass first Turrets second [Re: Deerhunter61]
FiremanJG Offline
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Registered: 12/16/08
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Loc: Wolfe City, TX
If you want reliable turrets do not buy Zeiss or Swarovski.

Every NF SHV I've looked through I thought the glass was very nice, and it had not trouble to the end of my range. But the turrets seemed a little mushy.

And what's a "target turret"?

It is Mil or MOA, that's it. And MOA or Mil are equally good at elevation corrections, but Mil shines for wind corrections. And you will most likely get on your second rev with MOA one you start going 600+ yards. Not the case with Mil.
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#6739340 - 04/19/17 07:43 AM Re: Ranking Scopes based on glass first Turrets second [Re: Deerhunter61]
RMG Offline
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Registered: 04/11/17
Posts: 9
Loc: Laporte Tx
I have the NF ATACR 5x25x56 I call it my 401k my nephew and I shoot bench and he has the Z5 yes it was on sale at Carters country for 1399$ but thats a lot less than my ATACR was it was very close or exceeded my NF we all see different clarity I hunt with Leupolds and love them.Sorry not much help on others

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#6739372 - 04/19/17 08:04 AM Re: Ranking Scopes based on glass first Turrets second [Re: Deerhunter61]
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Shv glass is meh
Xtr glass is more meh than people think
Pst 1 glass sucks

Pst2 glass and turrets much better and should be looked at

Swaro is best glass

You might look into the new bushnell lrhs also or lrs

Currently to my eyes in that price pst2 is my new leader

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#6739389 - 04/19/17 08:13 AM Re: Ranking Scopes based on glass first Turrets second [Re: FiremanJG]
Txhuntr2 Offline
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Registered: 02/19/12
Posts: 392
Loc: Houston and Val Verde
Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
If you want reliable turrets do not buy Zeiss or Swarovski. That has not been my experience.

Every NF SHV I've looked through I thought the glass was very nice, and it had not trouble to the end of my range. But the turrets seemed a little mushy.

And what's a "target turret"? Zeiss Conquest models have the option of a capped turret or exposed turret that they call a "target turret" or "locking target turret"

It is Mil or MOA, that's it. And MOA or Mil are equally good at elevation corrections, but Mil shines for wind corrections. And you will most likely get on your second rev with MOA one you start going 600+ yards. Not the case with Mil. It is Mil, MOA or IPHY.

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#6739457 - 04/19/17 08:37 AM Re: Ranking Scopes based on glass first Turrets second [Re: Txhuntr2]
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I think combined, Chad and I have had the turret experience with Swaro and Zeiss ove the course of 100+ scopes.

Remove the cap from the Zeiss, and it's just a turret.

I'm well aware of IPHY, and left it out, because it's stupid.
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#6739476 - 04/19/17 08:45 AM Re: Ranking Scopes based on glass first Turrets second [Re: Deerhunter61]
Txhuntr2 Offline
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Registered: 02/19/12
Posts: 392
Loc: Houston and Val Verde
I am not sure if it is ok, but here is a link to another forum explaining what a target turret is for those without much Zeiss experience. It is not a capped turret with the cap removed.

http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f18/zeiss-conquest-hunting-vs-target-turret-114093/

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#6739517 - 04/19/17 09:11 AM Re: Ranking Scopes based on glass first Turrets second [Re: Deerhunter61]
chital_shikari Offline
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Registered: 08/03/11
Posts: 12115
FiremanJG, why is it unreliable? Does it have to do with tracking? Or just the IPHY/.25" clicks thing?

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