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#6728019 - 04/06/17 09:33 PM Re: Thompson center Hawkins??? [Re: SowHntr]
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We put in for unit 39 muzzleloader in CO. They had leftovers last season, but we went in with two points. We will see! I am going to to put up the seven mag and a spend a few months with the two TC's. I cant wait to see what happens
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#6728035 - 04/06/17 09:43 PM Re: Thompson center Hawkins??? [Re: SowHntr]
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Registered: 10/21/16
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Loc: Argyle /N.Central Pennsylvania...
Good luck on the draw. Colorado requires loose powder, non saboted bullets and open or iron sights so the Hawken is perfect.
I wouldn't hesitate to use the 370 gr maxi balls with 90 gr of FF.
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#6728799 - 04/07/17 05:34 PM Re: Thompson center Hawkins??? [Re: SowHntr]
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Never do, but I stopped by gander. They had 350gr maxi hunters. I grabbed them and some Hornady 50 cal .490. They didn't have any patches. I will be taking out both tc's tomorrow after the turkey hunt. I will post some pics!
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#6728979 - 04/07/17 08:52 PM Re: Thompson center Hawkins??? [Re: SowHntr]
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Loc: Argyle /N.Central Pennsylvania...
The 350gr maxi hunters shot well out of an older Renegade that I bought used. They came with the gun so I decided to try them for sighting in. Haven't hunted with that gun yet so I can't say how well they work on deer or other game. Not sure if they will get the same penetration as the 370 maxi balls.
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#6729149 - 04/08/17 07:38 AM Re: Thompson center Hawkins??? [Re: SowHntr]
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I did a kit model, during the process while doing one of the screws, I split the stock, sent it in, replaced for no charge, the replacement was 2x better looking than the original, have regretted selling it.
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#6729169 - 04/08/17 07:59 AM Re: Thompson center Hawkins??? [Re: colt45]
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Loc: Argyle /N.Central Pennsylvania...
Yes, T/C was a great company until they were bought out by S&W. They are not honoring the T/C lifetime warranties on classic slide lock and flintlock muzzleloaders anymore. They stopped all producition of replacement parts.
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#6729197 - 04/08/17 08:34 AM Re: Thompson center Hawkins??? [Re: Pappybear]
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I bought a second T/C Renegade when the problem began, just to have replacement parts. The gun was used but hardly fired and well taken care of. Cost me less than what a replacement stock would cost now. If you can find one.
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#6729898 - 04/09/17 09:35 AM Re: Thompson center Hawkins??? [Re: SowHntr]
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Well I'm hooked! The pro hunter is picky! After many tries we finally found a load it liked. We went with 90gr pyrodex and a 250 grain saboted bullet. We tried the powerbelts with different grains of powder, and it did not like them. I pulled out the Hawkens put 90 gr in it, and tried to start the maxi hunter in it, I ended up break my bullet starter in half. After more force than I will ever do again, I got the bullet seated. I then put in a cap, set the trigger, aimed..... and nothing. I tried ten caps and was so upset the rifle never fired. We went into town to eat and I found a video about the billet puller, I had never seenone. I went back to the land and stated shooting other guns and calling for turkey here and there. When I went through the black powder box I found a bullet puller, my range rod was to short for the hawkens, disappointed once again. I put one more cap on it walked over and POOF, it fired! Barrel was cleared! I decided to try the powerbelts in it. At 50 yards I had one hole and was so impressed with the gun. I then moved out to 100 yards and the pics and my smiles says the rest.



These are my first two shots at 100 yards with the hawkens



Finished with a third shot



I need to find another bullet beside a sabot for the pro hunter. Strange thing, this same load had a 5 inch group at 50. I said screw it try at 100, and we got this group. It will work on the pigs for now.



Edited by SowHntr (04/09/17 09:45 AM)
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#6730363 - 04/09/17 07:35 PM Re: Thompson center Hawkins??? [Re: SowHntr]
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Loc: Argyle /N.Central Pennsylvania...
Looks like you have two great shooters.
Did you get precluded maxi's? I never had a problem loading them in any of my T/C's or Lyman.
I run a dry swab down the barrel after each practice shot to make loading the next round easier.
Also before I load for practice or hunting I fire a cap or two with the barrel pointed at a leaf on the ground to make sure the fire is getting to the chamber.
The force produced by the cap alone will move the leaf.
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#6730541 - 04/10/17 04:13 AM Re: Thompson center Hawkins??? [Re: SowHntr]
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I've shot deer with T/C Hawkens using the Lee conicals, and had very good results. They are easy to make and load very easily. Accuracy has always been good for me with a 75 Gr. load in a .45, and they are very effective doing what they should do on a deer.

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#6731317 - 04/10/17 07:59 PM Re: Thompson center Hawkins??? [Re: SowHntr]
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It was the pre lubed, they smelled like mint. The rifle was new unfired, but I cleaned it well when I got it home, and ran three dry patches down it before i fired it. It being new I put two caps in it before I loaded it. However; it still had the wax, cosmalene in it when I bought it. You learn on the fly, I didn't put a pic in the breach hole before I fired the two caps. I'm going to grab some 295gr powerbelts and 90gr, hopefully it will like them too!
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#6731638 - 04/11/17 09:13 AM Re: Thompson center Hawkins??? [Re: SowHntr]
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Loc: Pettytown, TX, US of A
We had quite a few Kentucky and Hawkins rifles in 45 and 50 cal over the years.
They were all pretty good guns and shot well.

Then my older brother got a TC Hawkins kit in 50 cal.
He was pretty experienced from building "sporters" from various milsurp bolt guns back in the day and it turned out very nice.
He was a job superintendent working away from home and lived in a travel trailer at the job site during the week so he had lots of time to work on it.

The real surprise was shooting it.
It was pretty amazing using patched round balls but when he tried some maxi's, it was really accurate.
He hunted deer and varmints with for a few seasons and did quite well for a smokepole.
Don't remember what bullets or loads he was shooting in it as it was many years ago.

But I do remember the rifle well!


Edited by Vern1 (04/11/17 09:14 AM)
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#6736928 - 04/16/17 10:16 PM Re: Thompson center Hawkins??? [Re: SowHntr]
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Put up a post and had two great forum members help me out, I got more than I bargrned for. One of them has yet been shot by us.



Needless to say I'm hooked! Here is the first two shots at 100 yards with the powerbelt 295gr with 90 gr poyrodex, out of the latest Hawkins by my uncle.

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#6736932 - 04/16/17 10:21 PM Re: Thompson center Hawkins??? [Re: SowHntr]
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We tried patch round balls at 100 and 50 yards with the same rifle my uncle is holding. I tried 70,80,90 grains. .49 bullet and .01 and .015 patches. They shot horribly. We will keep working on it.
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#6743234 - 04/22/17 07:07 PM Re: Thompson center Hawkins??? [Re: SowHntr]
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Registered: 07/19/12
Posts: 384
Loc: East Texas, Smith County
If I remember correctly all the T/C muzzle loaders (classic style anyway) were rifled 1 turn in 48" so they could shoot either round ball or the Conical type bullets. This was before people thought about shooting Saboted pistol bullets. Since most pistol bullets are shorter than the Maxi Ball they should be able to shoot ok.

I've got a Hawken 50 caliber with the 15/16" barrel, and a Seneca 45 caliber. Finally shot the Hawken few days ago with round balls, about 2" or so at 50 yards without trying too hard.


Edited by jeffb1911 (04/22/17 07:09 PM)
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