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Re: farmers & ranchers? [Re: cabosandinh] #6712550 03/23/17 03:15 AM
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Originally Posted By: cabosandinh
Ag income is so low you have to be a rich farmer/rancher to begin with to make it


Off topic but I hate hearing when people say this.

I started farming on my own without a dollar to my name.

Nothing has been easy.

So far so good, and I wasn't born into it either.

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I think that there is an overreaction to the poison being used. The concentration of Wafarin (The Poison) is so minute that it does not effect any other animal..just hogs.

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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
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How would poison only target hogs?


lead poisoning would be target selective


Helicopter is the only way that does any good.

I'm saving my pennies for a Huey.


If you know a place with that many I know a guy but we would have to see if he is willing to do it... Let me know peep


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Originally Posted By: Featherduster
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Ag income is so low you have to be a rich farmer/rancher to begin with to make it


Off topic but I hate hearing when people say this.

I started farming on my own without a dollar to my name.

Nothing has been easy.

So far so good, and I wasn't born into it either.
good for you. not impossible but very difficult, depending on acreage ect. equipment alone runs into hundreds of thousands of dollars.


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Farming/ranching has been my families major income as long as I can remember. Mom was a school teacher which doesn't be make near enough to do much and dad was farming and ranching. Now I do the farming and ranching with him and my son may take over for me one day. We have a few hog problems now and then and trapping has been the most effective way to deal with them. I may try the poison on one of our area to see how well it really worked, but I do share the concerns about it effecting non-target species and humans.


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Originally Posted By: DH3
I think that there is an overreaction to the poison being used. The concentration of Wafarin (The Poison) is so minute that it does not effect any other animal..just hogs.


It's Warfarin?

An anticoagulant prescribed to atrial fibrillation patients. I wonder what that does to the hogs? Hogs anatomy and physiology is not far off from humans. Are we giving them an anticoagulant to prevent clotting after having been shot, or is shooting not needed?

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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
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I think that there is an overreaction to the poison being used. The concentration of Wafarin (The Poison) is so minute that it does not effect any other animal..just hogs.


It's Warfarin?

An anticoagulant prescribed to atrial fibrillation patients. I wonder what that does to the hogs? Hogs anatomy and physiology is not far off from humans. Are we giving them an anticoagulant to prevent clotting after having been shot, or is shooting not needed?

Interesting.


Yes it is Warfarin. No, a shot is not needed. Repeated doses build up in the hogs system which induces spontaneous internal bleeding and they eventually bleed to death. Can take repeated feeding and up to a month to kill a hog.

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Interesting, thank you.


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If it builds up in hogs and take a month to kill them chances are high that people will be shooting and eating hogs that are eating it. If it builds up in hogs wouldn't it build up in the people that eat them?


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I think that there is an overreaction to the poison being used. The concentration of Wafarin (The Poison) is so minute that it does not effect any other animal..just hogs.


It's Warfarin?

An anticoagulant prescribed to atrial fibrillation patients. I wonder what that does to the hogs? Hogs anatomy and physiology is not far off from humans. Are we giving them an anticoagulant to prevent clotting after having been shot, or is shooting not needed?

Interesting.


Yes it is Warfarin. No, a shot is not needed. Repeated doses build up in the hogs system which induces spontaneous internal bleeding and they eventually bleed to death. Can take repeated feeding and up to a month to kill a hog.



The question is not "Can" it will take repeated feeding...Warfarin is a multi feed bait....this is not the best solution...their are other compounds that would do a better job...their is also problems with bait palatability--

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with Warfarin the more water they the better it works.


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I wonder why they aren't trying to find some type of bait that sterilizes them and over time, the problem go away due to no breeding ... scratch

I don't make a living by farming or ranching and only have a small place that I used to run a few head of cattle to keep ag exemption in place and put meat in the freezer ... but at the beginning of the drought, ~2009, the feral hogs got to blowing huge hole in my fence that I would patch (due to the artisan springs on my place), just for them to move over 10-15 feet and start another hole. It got so bad that the fences were in such bad shape, I was getting calls from neighboring ranches that my cattle were over on their places about every other week. I used about 80-100 cattle panels patching the fence over about a year time frame and finally gave up and converted the place over to a wildlife management improvement exemption just to not have to repair fence and chase cattle over a several mile area.

I am out there at least once a month, more during hunting season and we shoot every hog we get an opportunity to shoot. I even gave a friend and his wife (plus a buddy of their's) permission to hunt and trap hogs mid January thru August for a couple of years. No telling how many we all took off the place over the past 7-8 years ... and you couldn't tell one was killed. they just reproduce too fast to make a dent in them.


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Originally Posted By: Featherduster
Originally Posted By: cabosandinh
Ag income is so low you have to be a rich farmer/rancher to begin with to make it


Off topic but I hate hearing when people say this.

I started farming on my own without a dollar to my name.

Nothing has been easy.

So far so good, and I wasn't born into it either.


Awesome man! That is extremely rare for sure. Unless you are talking about farming the wacky tabacky, and that usually ends badly!

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Originally Posted By: cabosandinh
Ag income is so low you have to be a rich farmer/rancher to begin with to make it

hogs don't tear up my land like in other places, they just come visit the
3 tanks, eat fallen fruits/corn then move back to the river.

The only poison I've used is rat poison inside the barn

I don't even use fertilizer for my coastal or any of the fruit trees or my vineyard
I like things natural as much as possible

If i were to have hog problem, I can shoot them faster than they can produce.
And my friends would be more than happy to play GI Joe with hogs


I'm not sure about your place but overall it is impossible to control hogs by hunting them!

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Also, some hunters and trappers aren't really practicing real control. I kill quite a few barrows every year, and while I know they can't contribute to the expansion of the population, cutting their balls off does absolutely zero to mitigate the property damage they are capable of.


I have killed several as well and it always pisses me off, but to each their own.

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Originally Posted By: therancher
I make my money from ranching. I will never think poisoning food is a good idea.

Helicopter hours are cheap and worth the price.


You ranch not farm, and you already probably gather your cattle with helo. . In Certain areas Helo's are only viable a very small percentage of the year due to foliage. I love hunting elk... they lay over a $180k plus corn circle, they die and I don't care how it happens.

Fact of matter is I have yet to see either side of the drug debate lay up any facts. I wish someone who was involved in the study (not my brothers wife's great uncle who is the #1 biologist in Texas said) publish some good facts. Half life's, drug residue in meat etc.

As of right now the delivry method for warfin is a joke. Might as well use remote trap.

Hunting aspect as a control option is pissing in the wind.


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I don't think you have to be a farmer/rancher for this to affect you. I don't like the idea of prescription drugs being put out in the open environment that will just get washed into the water supply. Our public water system doesn't have the capability of removing these types of chemicals.

The below was taken from the EPA.

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This product may be toxic to fish, birds and other wildlife. Dogs and other predatory and scavenging mammals and
birds might be poisoned if they feed upon animals that have eaten the bait. Do not apply this product directly to
water, to areas where surface water is present or to intertidal areas below the mean high-water mark. Do not
contaminate water when disposing of equipment wash waters.


It is or it isnt, that says neither.



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I don't so far have a hog problem. I do at times have a coyote problem. In trying to solve a ranchers or farmers problem there is usually a small amount of collateral damage. Be it from traps, snares or other things a person uses to try to solve their problem. As long as the result does not involve humans that is just the way it is.

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I don't so far have a hog problem. I do at times have a coyote problem. In trying to solve a ranchers or farmers problem there is usually a small amount of collateral damage. Be it from traps, snares or other things a person uses to try to solve their problem. As long as the result does not involve humans that is just the way it is.


Have call, will travel. (coyote problem related, not hog poison related)

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I make my money from ranching. I will never think poisoning food is a good idea.

Helicopter hours are cheap and worth the price.


You ranch not farm, and you already probably gather your cattle with helo. . In Certain areas Helo's are only viable a very small percentage of the year due to foliage. I love hunting elk... they lay over a $180k plus corn circle, they die and I don't care how it happens.

Fact of matter is I have yet to see either side of the drug debate lay up any facts. I wish someone who was involved in the study (not my brothers wife's great uncle who is the #1 biologist in Texas said) publish some good facts. Half life's, drug residue in meat etc.

As of right now the delivry method for warfin is a joke. Might as well use remote trap.

Hunting aspect as a control option is pissing in the wind.




There are some inconsistencies for sure. They say the drug needs to build up in their system over time. And the biological half life is a 40 hour mean. They warn against eating pigs with "blue fat". Sorry, way too much contradiction for me to feel comfortable.

And you're right. I don't farm. But farmers can helo them a LOT more efficiently than most. And played right, the cost can be mitigated by charging for helo "hunts".

Just finished a meal of fried wild pig, and ate smoked wild pig yesterday. Both were killed by my grandkids on their spring break. I find any blue fat in those pigs and sid miller's gonna have more to worry about than re-election.

Either he is as dumb as a box of rox, or kaput is lining his pockets.


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or kaput is lining his pockets.



money makes the world goes 'round

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50yrs of progress, my dad started farming with horses and mules, the big rig was what he had when he died, invest that kind of money, you don't want to see and invasive species destroy your investment


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I make my money from ranching. I will never think poisoning food is a good idea.

Helicopter hours are cheap and worth the price.


You ranch not farm, and you already probably gather your cattle with helo. . In Certain areas Helo's are only viable a very small percentage of the year due to foliage. I love hunting elk... they lay over a $180k plus corn circle, they die and I don't care how it happens.

Fact of matter is I have yet to see either side of the drug debate lay up any facts. I wish someone who was involved in the study (not my brothers wife's great uncle who is the #1 biologist in Texas said) publish some good facts. Half life's, drug residue in meat etc.

As of right now the delivry method for warfin is a joke. Might as well use remote trap.

Hunting aspect as a control option is pissing in the wind.




There are some inconsistencies for sure. They say the drug needs to build up in their system over time. And the biological half life is a 40 hour mean. They warn against eating pigs with "blue fat". Sorry, way too much contradiction for me to feel comfortable.

And you're right. I don't farm. But farmers can helo them a LOT more efficiently than most. And played right, the cost can be mitigated by charging for helo "hunts".

Just finished a meal of fried wild pig, and ate smoked wild pig yesterday. Both were killed by my grandkids on their spring break. I find any blue fat in those pigs and sid miller's gonna have more to worry about than re-election.

Either he is as dumb as a box of rox, or kaput is lining his pockets.



Easy, Sid is actually a really good Ag commissioner. We could have another bleeding heart hippy like hightower


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You may like his politics/policies and that's fine.

But anybody that follows him for 10 minutes knows he's dumb as a box of rocks.

But, hey, that's "in" these days. Even smart people are acting dumb so they can get elected/keep their seats.


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Originally Posted By: Nogalus Prairie
You may like his politics/policies and that's fine.

But anybody that follows him for 10 minutes knows he's dumb as a box of rocks.

But, hey, that's "in" these days. Even smart people are acting dumb so they can get elected/keep their seats.


Lots of truth here.

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