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30-30 cast loads
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02/23/17 06:18 PM
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I just ordered some hunters supply 154 gr cast. I'm planning on loading some low power plinking loads to play with. I'm thinking about using tailboss or unique. If I go the unique route will I need a filler? Does anyone have any recommendations on loads?
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Re: 30-30 cast loads
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02/23/17 07:15 PM
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I've used 2400 with my 30-30 and had good results. I didn't use any filler. I do use Magnum primers however..The best info on the web is castboolits.com..Hope this helps.
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02/23/17 07:26 PM
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i've also used 2400 with good results in a 30/30. the cast boolit loads i used most were in a .444 with unique with no filler. it wasn't that great because i didn't use the correct boolit diameter for my rifle which should have been .002 larger than what i tried. fit of cast is very important to get good groups. and be careful and watchful for double charges. check 2 or 3 extra times if necessary. i've used the lyman data for all my cast loads. i think they have a pretty good handle on it. good luck
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Re: 30-30 cast loads
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02/23/17 07:42 PM
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Thanks. I have a lyman book. I've never tried this before.
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02/24/17 05:32 AM
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I shoot 8 grains of titegroup for a plinking round.
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Re: 30-30 cast loads
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02/24/17 02:04 PM
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I used Unique but only because I always had some handy. I tried laddering for accuracy but felt like I was wasting my time. I also tried fillers but couldn't tell any difference. I felt the Microgroove rifling in the Marlins was not as effective as the Ballard rifling in the 94's or my Savage when dealing with cast bullets. This was done back in the 90's. JMO and experience. Nothing real scientific. I was primarily looking for cheap ammo for skunks, possums, armidillos which were in barns and under sheds, most shooting done 15-40 yards.
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Re: 30-30 cast loads
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02/25/17 03:09 AM
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I shoot 8 grains of titegroup for a plinking round. Is 8 grains a min or max load? incase I can find titegroup easier.
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02/25/17 03:11 AM
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I used Unique but only because I always had some handy. I tried laddering for accuracy but felt like I was wasting my time. I also tried fillers but couldn't tell any difference. I felt the Microgroove rifling in the Marlins was not as effective as the Ballard rifling in the 94's or my Savage when dealing with cast bullets. This was done back in the 90's. JMO and experience. Nothing real scientific. I was primarily looking for cheap ammo for skunks, possums, armidillos which were in barns and under sheds, most shooting done 15-40 yards. I'm going to try these in a microgrove marlin. I'm hoping to have some luck with them. If not, atleast I tried something new.
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Re: 30-30 cast loads
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02/25/17 02:49 PM
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I looked at the bullet on the Hunter Supply website but cannot tell if it has a bevel base or a gas check shank. Looking at their other bullets that have the bevel, I think this has the gas check shank without the check which is a bit odd. Anyway, Hodgdon offers advice on how to determine a max load of TrailBoss here: IMR® TRAIL BOSS® REDUCED LOADS FOR RIFLE AND PISTOLPersonally, I've never had problems with cast bullets in Marlin Micro-Groove barrels, at one time I owned over 70 Marlin rifles all shooting cast from the 219 Zipper through the 450 Marlin, but I've thinned the herd a bit as I've gotten older. Before you do the math for Trail Boss, determine a max cartridge OAL for this bullet with the bullet's ogive at bore contact in your rifle. If you don't know how to do that, I will detail it. With that info, don't shoot it with an OAL more than .005" off that contact length. That's the first key to good cast bullet performance from the MG barrels; the ogive must be supported by the chamber's throat. I've also done quite a bit of work with fillers and pressure trace equipment, and my general feeling is to stay away from them, especially that this appears to be your first go with cast. How about a picture of those bullets when you receive them? I'm interested in seeing the base.
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02/25/17 04:33 PM
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I looked at the bullet on the Hunter Supply website but cannot tell if it has a bevel base or a gas check shank. Looking at their other bullets that have the bevel, I think this has the gas check shank without the check which is a bit odd. Anyway, Hodgdon offers advice on how to determine a max load of TrailBoss here: IMR® TRAIL BOSS® REDUCED LOADS FOR RIFLE AND PISTOLPersonally, I've never had problems with cast bullets in Marlin Micro-Groove barrels, at one time I owned over 70 Marlin rifles all shooting cast from the 219 Zipper through the 450 Marlin, but I've thinned the herd a bit as I've gotten older. Before you do the math for Trail Boss, determine a max cartridge OAL for this bullet with the bullet's ogive at bore contact in your rifle. If you don't know how to do that, I will detail it. With that info, don't shoot it with an OAL more than .005" off that contact length. That's the first key to good cast bullet performance from the MG barrels; the ogive must be supported by the chamber's throat. I've also done quite a bit of work with fillers and pressure trace equipment, and my general feeling is to stay away from them, especially that this appears to be your first go with cast. How about a picture of those bullets when you receive them? I'm interested in seeing the base. I'll get a picture when they come in. I believe they have a gas check base without the check. Trail boss is what I'm wanting to go with but I haven't seen much on thee shelves (but I haven't really been looking for it).
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Re: 30-30 cast loads
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02/25/17 09:52 PM
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If they don't have the check, Trail Boss will probably be a good bet. Might start looking for it. The problem with the gas check shank vs. a plain base would be that the combustion gasses will have a head start on "etching" or cutting along the groove. Etching is what produces leading. If the shank is naked, you could always get a Lee .311 Lube and Size Kit and seating 30 caliber checks on them. This opens all kinds of opportunities and eliminates a bunch of frustration with the load development. The price of the die, checks, and shipping would only add 7˘ a bullet. Just something to keep in mind. Passed through Snyder for the first time this past year going to a mule deer hunt to the northwest of you, a long drive from the top of South Texas.
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02/25/17 10:25 PM
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I know it said they are rated up to 1600fps but it didn't say if that'd was with or without a gas check. If I toy with this and like it I plan on getting a sizer and everything. I'm hoping I'll like it so I can also load 45-70 and 44 mag with cast.
We set right on the edge of mule deer country. We have some on the north end of the county. It,s a long drive to south Texas. I make the drive to Corpus to see the in-laws every now and then
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Re: 30-30 cast loads
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02/26/17 03:55 AM
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Yeah, the best thing to do is just try them at an OAL that is fitted tight up in the throat. The Hunter Supply website didn't note what BHN the bullets are, they do have a "Hunter" bullet that is a 15 BHN so I suspect these are something less.They should be good to 25.0K PSI/1600 FPS. Trail Boss would keep you in that ball park with out a lot of trial and error.
Three fellows and I that hunt together put in for the Lake Allan Henry mule deer hunt, the four permits, and actually got drawn so we had the place to ourself for that hunt. I went up two days early to scout and it was looking good. The first day of the hunt a big northern blew in and flooded that canyon. A driving rain started about 8:30 in the morning and never let up, canyon looked like a commode flushing! One of the fellows shot a nice buck running for cover just as the rain started and we didn't see another. Any hunt is always a good hunt and it was this fellow's first mule deer so it was a win.
Both my wife and I are from the Corpus area, we are about 1 1/2 north of Corpus.
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Re: 30-30 cast loads
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02/26/17 02:45 PM
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I shoot 8 grains of titegroup for a plinking round. Is 8 grains a min or max load? incase I can find titegroup easier. Just what I've used. It's actually a .7cc Lee powder dipper.
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Re: 30-30 cast loads
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02/27/17 04:02 PM
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I just got lucky and found a couple bottles of trail boss. Just waiting on the bullets now.
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Re: 30-30 cast loads
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02/27/17 07:38 PM
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I just got lucky and found a couple bottles of trail boss. Good deal! TB can be hard to find.
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Re: 30-30 cast loads
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03/01/17 07:46 PM
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Here's the picture you asked for. The fired round weighed 90 grains the two fragments weighed 34grains total. It was shot into sand out of curiosity.
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Re: 30-30 cast loads
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03/02/17 08:49 PM
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So what do you think of how they shoot? What are groups like?
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Re: 30-30 cast loads
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03/03/17 01:49 AM
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They shot good enough for me 1-2'" groups off hand at 25 yards. I loaded them over 11 grains of trail boss. they had no recoil to speak of.
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03/03/17 02:40 AM
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I shoot PC coated cast bullets (150 & 174 Gr.) in my 300 BO which I would assume the same loads would work in 30-30 about as well. I have tried between 12~15 Gr. of IMR4227 & Re-7
QL shows 14.5 Gr Re-7 with a 160 Gr cast Lee at 1200 Fps
15 Gr 4227 @ just over 1400Fps 11 Gr TB @ 1366
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03/06/17 01:30 AM
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That will get about the velocity I was looking for with the trail boss. Thanks.
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