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it's a little late to be fighting over a doe #6681166 02/20/17 03:06 PM
Joined: Jan 2015 Posts: 590 S TX H HWY72 OP Tracker
OP HWY72 Tracker H Joined: Jan 2015 Posts: 590 S TX	Checked the cameras this weekend and found this.

Re: it's a little late to be fighting over a doe [Re: HWY72] #6681168 02/20/17 03:06 PM
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 31,953 Boerne TX/Garven Store T txtrophy85 THF Celebrity
txtrophy85 THF Celebrity T Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 31,953 Boerne TX/Garven Store	I saw a nice buck running a doe last week in McMullen county. For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.

Re: it's a little late to be fighting over a doe [Re: HWY72] #6681180 02/20/17 03:12 PM
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Sneaky THF Celebrity S Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 29,608 Weatherford, TX	They've been fighting still on our place in Val Verde County.

Re: it's a little late to be fighting over a doe [Re: HWY72] #6681183 02/20/17 03:17 PM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 39,549 Texas R redchevy THF Celebrity
redchevy THF Celebrity R Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 39,549 Texas	We always have a little rutting going on in February. Our first rut doesn't hit till late December early January. It's hell eatin em live

Re: it's a little late to be fighting over a doe [Re: HWY72] #6681314 02/20/17 04:53 PM
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GLC THF Trophy Hunter G Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 5,872 BenBrook Texas	I have a video where a buck is still chasing a doe on Feb 17.

Re: it's a little late to be fighting over a doe [Re: HWY72] #6681332 02/20/17 05:09 PM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 39,549 Texas R redchevy THF Celebrity
redchevy THF Celebrity R Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 39,549 Texas	A few years ago I took a picture of a still wet new born fawn just born couldn't stand yet on August 28th. Backing out the gestation period that would put the doe being bred the first/second week of February. It's hell eatin em live

Re: it's a little late to be fighting over a doe [Re: redchevy] #6681684 02/20/17 10:35 PM
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Texas Dan THF Celebrity T Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 22,260	Originally Posted By: redchevy A few years ago I took a picture of a still wet new born fawn just born couldn't stand yet on August 28th. Backing out the gestation period that would put the doe being bred the first/second week of February. Kind of blows a hole in what biologists tell us about there not being a second rut roughly 28 days after the peak of the initial rut when unbred does go back into estrus. Granted, it's not as intense as the early rut but still good reason to focus hunting on those days. "Some people will never like you because your spirit irritates their demons."

Re: it's a little late to be fighting over a doe [Re: Texas Dan] #6681810 02/21/17 12:19 AM
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 31,953 Boerne TX/Garven Store T txtrophy85 THF Celebrity
txtrophy85 THF Celebrity T Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 31,953 Boerne TX/Garven Store	Originally Posted By: Texas Dan Originally Posted By: redchevy A few years ago I took a picture of a still wet new born fawn just born couldn't stand yet on August 28th. Backing out the gestation period that would put the doe being bred the first/second week of February. Kind of blows a hole in what biologists tell us about there not being a second rut roughly 28 days after the peak of the initial rut when unbred does go back into estrus. Granted, it's not as intense as the early rut but still good reason to focus hunting on those days. What biologist are you talking to? I've never had a biologist say that a doe does not go into estrus again 28 days later. If she doesent get bred after that 28 days, she will go into estrus again. No different than with human females. For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.

Re: it's a little late to be fighting over a doe [Re: HWY72] #6681867 02/21/17 01:23 AM
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rifleman Sparkly Pants R Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 44,461 Kingwood	I'll have sparring on camera until the horns come off.

Re: it's a little late to be fighting over a doe [Re: redchevy] #6681870 02/21/17 01:24 AM
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therancher THF Trophy Hunter T Joined: Jul 2013 Posts: 7,179 Mountain Home, Uvalde, and Big...	Originally Posted By: redchevy A few years ago I took a picture of a still wet new born fawn just born couldn't stand yet on August 28th. Backing out the gestation period that would put the doe being bred the first/second week of February. I have fawns born in oct every year. Sometimes a couple in November. Crotchety old bastidge

Re: it's a little late to be fighting over a doe [Re: redchevy] #6681876 02/21/17 01:31 AM
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Simple Searcher THF Celebrity S Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 11,913 Helotes, Hext	Originally Posted By: redchevy A few years ago I took a picture of a still wet new born fawn just born couldn't stand yet on August 28th. Backing out the gestation period that would put the doe being bred the first/second week of February. I have seen new fawns in late October. "Man is still a hunter, still a simple searcher after meat..." Robert C. Ruark

Re: it's a little late to be fighting over a doe [Re: HWY72] #6682194 02/21/17 01:02 PM
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Stub THF Celebrity S Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 43,927 The Outer Limits	Cool pic

Re: it's a little late to be fighting over a doe [Re: Stub] #6682352 02/21/17 03:23 PM
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Deerhunter61 THF Trophy Hunter D Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 7,806 DFW	Originally Posted By: Stub Cool pic

Re: it's a little late to be fighting over a doe [Re: HWY72] #6682373 02/21/17 03:37 PM
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Hunt n Fish THF Celebrity H Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 13,530 Azle,Tx /Hunt ?	2 AM Last call & fighting over the leftovers! HnF "Prayer is when you talk to the Lord, Meditation is when you listen to what he says"

Re: it's a little late to be fighting over a doe [Re: txtrophy85] #6682409 02/21/17 04:17 PM
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Texas Dan THF Celebrity T Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 22,260	Originally Posted By: txtrophy85 Originally Posted By: Texas Dan Originally Posted By: redchevy A few years ago I took a picture of a still wet new born fawn just born couldn't stand yet on August 28th. Backing out the gestation period that would put the doe being bred the first/second week of February. Kind of blows a hole in what biologists tell us about there not being a second rut roughly 28 days after the peak of the initial rut when unbred does go back into estrus. Granted, it's not as intense as the early rut but still good reason to focus hunting on those days. What biologist are you talking to? I've never had a biologist say that a doe does not go into estrus again 28 days later. If she doesent get bred after that 28 days, she will go into estrus again. No different than with human females. Some biologists claim the so-called Second Rut is not as active as most hunters believe because the vast majority of does get bred during the initial rut. They aren't claiming the does that don't get bred will not go into estrus again after 28 days, but that there aren't as many that miss breeding as most hunters believe. I killed my wide-racked buck this past December 20th as he was tagging behind a doe. And I have never seen a December pass in East Texas when I did not see bucks still showing interest in does. "Some people will never like you because your spirit irritates their demons."

Re: it's a little late to be fighting over a doe [Re: HWY72] #6682411 02/21/17 04:18 PM
Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 5,067 Kingwood, TX T titan2232 THF Trophy Hunter
titan2232 THF Trophy Hunter T Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 5,067 Kingwood, TX	Don't believe everything you read and only half of what ya see

Re: it's a little late to be fighting over a doe [Re: Hunt n Fish] #6682437 02/21/17 04:44 PM
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Stub THF Celebrity S Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 43,927 The Outer Limits	Originally Posted By: Hunt n Fish 2 AM Last call & fighting over the leftovers! And the ugly light has been on for 30 minutes.

Re: it's a little late to be fighting over a doe [Re: Texas Dan] #6682438 02/21/17 04:45 PM
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cameron00 THF Trophy Hunter C Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 8,719 Texas	Originally Posted By: Texas Dan Originally Posted By: txtrophy85 Originally Posted By: Texas Dan Originally Posted By: redchevy A few years ago I took a picture of a still wet new born fawn just born couldn't stand yet on August 28th. Backing out the gestation period that would put the doe being bred the first/second week of February. Kind of blows a hole in what biologists tell us about there not being a second rut roughly 28 days after the peak of the initial rut when unbred does go back into estrus. Granted, it's not as intense as the early rut but still good reason to focus hunting on those days. What biologist are you talking to? I've never had a biologist say that a doe does not go into estrus again 28 days later. If she doesent get bred after that 28 days, she will go into estrus again. No different than with human females. Some biologists claim the so-called Second Rut is not as active as most hunters believe because the vast majority of does get bred during the initial rut. They aren't claiming the does that don't get bred will not go into estrus again after 28 days, but that there aren't as many that miss breeding as most hunters believe. I killed my wide-racked buck this past December 20th as he was tagging behind a doe. And I have never seen a December pass in East Texas when I did not see bucks still showing interest in does. Nothing you just wrote supports your first statement. Bucks will fight over does until zero of them are in heat. That doesn't mean the biologists aren't correct in stating the majority of them don't come into 2nd (or 3rd) estrus periods because they've already been knocked up. As with everything else, it varies by location. If there are 10 does for every buck, a whole lot lower % are going to be bred the first go-round, etc.

Re: it's a little late to be fighting over a doe [Re: HWY72] #6682686 02/21/17 08:06 PM
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R.spencer Light Foot R Joined: Jan 2017 Posts: 37	I found several fresh scraped and rubs last weekend. I first thought the rubs were deer trying to get their antlers off. But the scrapes baffle me. I know we have had some crazy weather. It was 50 degrees during our Nov season.

Re: it's a little late to be fighting over a doe [Re: Hunt n Fish] #6682710 02/21/17 08:24 PM
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GLC THF Trophy Hunter G Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 5,872 BenBrook Texas	Originally Posted By: Hunt n Fish 2 AM Last call & fighting over the leftovers! " The girls all get prettier at closing time". There is a song in there some wheres.

Re: it's a little late to be fighting over a doe [Re: HWY72] #6687700 02/26/17 07:32 PM
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billyhunt Extreme Tracker B Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 3,624 granger,tx	Here ya go HWY72. Checked gc on the wheat, had 3 pics of them fighting and the next one was a doe.

Re: it's a little late to be fighting over a doe [Re: HWY72] #6689903 02/28/17 02:15 PM
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 4,006 Mckinney, TX S Stevarino Extreme Tracker
Stevarino Extreme Tracker S Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 4,006 Mckinney, TX	Had a fawn with spots during the second weekend of October.. you can do the math..

Re: it's a little late to be fighting over a doe [Re: HWY72] #6693472 03/03/17 01:54 PM
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OP HWY72 Tracker H Joined: Jan 2015 Posts: 590 S TX	All this info on late breeding and late fawns got me to thinking...... What effect if any does the loss of antlers have on the propensity for bucks to breed? Will they continue to pursue does, and fight for them, after they lose their antlers? Will they still breed any does that come into heat? Will does continue to come into heat until they are bred?

Re: it's a little late to be fighting over a doe [Re: HWY72] #6693802 03/03/17 06:12 PM
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Halfadozen THF Celebrity H Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,496 Western Parker County	I saw 2 bucks sparring last week - and I saw a first for me - one of the bucks lost both antlers during the brief match! Freedom is a fragile thing ...Those who have known freedom, and then lost it, have never known it again. -- Ronald Reagan

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