Facts? On the CBS network about guns? I watched the show and have to say that any trigger can be manipulated to fire when it's not supposed to. Or if somebody adjusts it incorrectly, or if the trigger has been poorly maintained. I have owned many M700 Remingtons and had one that did fire once when the safety was pushed off. Took it to a gunsmith and he told me the overtravel adjustment was way out along with the pull being too low. I bought the gun at a pawn shop. Do I blame Remington? I know you would if you believe a word coming from CBS. On this rifle if you pulled the trigger with the safety on and then pushed the safety off it would drop the firing pin. After it was properly adjusted I used it for years until the barrel was shot out, great rifle. 1972 BDL in 270.

The trick is to understand media bias does exist and that these people will do anything to discredit any part of the firearms industry. Others will say anything for money. So calling what CBS airs fact is only showing ignorance.

You don't have to believe CBS. You can believe Remington. They are the ones doing multiple recalls on these guns and who have repeatedly lost numerous lawsuits as a result of their poor trigger designs. In other words, the messenger isn't at issue here.

I just bought a Timney rather than send the rifle in. Figured the replacement trigger would be @ about 10 lbs. The Timney is set @ 2 lbs. and is really smooth. Love he rifle now!!

BTW, I'm not believing the kid that claimed he loaded the rifle to scare his bother, aimed it at his brother fully knowing it was loaded and the gun went off.

JR

Interesting thread. I own several Remington 700 rifles and all have had the trigger adjusted to take out creep or adjust the pull. There are three screws that you can adjust so there are three places that you can screw things up (pun intended). I think you can get in a lot of trouble if you set the sear incorrectly and the trigger too light. I suspect a lot of the people that have had issues can be attributed to someone playing with the screws and not being totally informed on how to adjust the trigger. That said, Remington has had recalls so either they believe the trigger can fail or the design is not idiot proof and they did the recall to insure the screws were adjusted properly.

Did you install the Timney yourself?

I did not. Had it done by a guy just West of Denton. I did watch and it looked like I could have done it myself.

JR

Does the new trigger allow you to unload the rifle with the safety on?

yes - I can load and unload with the safety on. I should probably clarify, you can specify the pull weight when you purchase the trigger direct from Timney - between 1.5 and 4 lbs.

JR

Lawsuits are often won and lost for odd reasons but I would hate to be responsible for the actions of countless nimrods of varying talent and experience. The last accidental discharge I witnessed was an airhead pulling the trigger to see if the 303 British he was carrying was loaded, wrecking our cast iron wood stove in the cabin!

Gunsmith told me most were due to old oil etc. in the assembly that caused the gun to misfire.

I could use "motor oil" on some of my old rifles and they might not fire at all, but NEVER fired on their own - Cold weather or warm weather! ....and of course we all know everyone does a "pristine" cleaning every time they take one to the field. God forbid anyone ever throw their old rifle in the back seat of the farm truck and leave it for a few months. IMHO the only thing that mattered to Remington was how much money it would cost to fix the problem. I for one would be real PO'd if I'd bought a brand spanking new rifle and then had to foot the bill for an after market trigger.

Several people have died or were injured! Maybe you should read the story......

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/popular-remington-700-rifle-linked-to-potentially-deadly-defects/

"But according to a Remington internal document the company had evidence of the problem as early as 1975 when its own tests showed some of the model 700s firing without the trigger being pulled. And this 1979 document indicates the company considered a recall. That never happened, but a decade ago it did switch from the original Walker trigger to the X-Mark Pro.

They admit under oath in recent testimony that the new model was brought about to the market because they had so many complaints with the older model, not that there was anything wrong with it. And it turns out the new model was actually worse than the old model for the first eight years they manufactured it".

Per the plaintiffs attorney: They finally did issue a recall and they did settle out of court with several of the victims! (with "no statement" clauses in each settlement). He could not disclose the amount in each settlement.

Sorta reminds me of the military telling us that all the M-16 needed was a good cleaning in the middle of battle to stop the ejection problems when the real culprit was the use of the wrong powder. http://www.smallarmsreview.com/display.article.cfm?idarticles=1735

I believe they did a show about defective airbags does that mean they are trying to discredit the automobile industry? I guess you can read politics into any subject if you try hard enough. Maybe they are trying to make a case against Tort Reform.

Watched the segment last night and thought they did a pretty good job of making it as fair as possible. But looking at what Hunt n Fish posted and looking into it a bit more this looks just like another instance of a corporation doing whats best for themselves in the sake of profits and not the well being of the consumers.

Personally I doubt I will ever by a Remington again due to the way they handled this. Too many other good gun makers out there.

Right, the problem isn't with CBS.

No doubt there is some media biases. I have noticed that they tend not to run very many stories that don't involve controversy, high interest, or blood shed. Feel-good stories are more common on slow news days. I can't say the media necessarily has a bias against many of the topics they report except that they like to report the topics that garner viewership and viewership means $. Defective products that could potentially affect millions of people is a pretty big story.

As they say in the industry "If it bleeds it leads"

Pretty much a one sided show. Doubt I ever watch 60 Minutes again

I have 2 700's that are about 4 years old. Can I assume that the trigger issue was fixed by Remington in these later models. I know assuming is dangerous but did they fix the problem. I have not had any isues with them to date

Do you know when your rifles were actually manufactured? You should get on Remington's website, enter your serial numbers, and see if they are subject to the current recall.

Remington used the Walker trigger design from about 1948 to about 2007. (Someone correct me if these years are wrong.) The Walker trigger is the one with the accidental discharge problem, but Remington has not issued a formal recall for them. I believe they will change it out for you if you ship your rifle to them.

Remington changed to the X Mark Pro trigger after that. Some of the X Mark Pro triggers manufactured from 5/1/06 to 4/9/14 are defective due to some adhesive problem. They are included in the current recall.

I had a model 700 in 30-06 discharge on me about 20 years ago. I was young at the time, 18 or so years old on a lease with my dad and a bunch of lawyer friends of his. I was so happy I had a witness. Otherwise I don't think anyone would have believed me.

I was being picked up from my blind, and in front of the other guy picking me up, I switched the safety to fire in order to unload it, and it discharged. It was pointed in a safe direction, and i did not have a finger inside the trigger guard, and like I said, thank goodness I had a witness.

We took it to Carter's Country in Houston and the head gunsmith said what my dad described was impossible. But I had a credible witness and my own testimony, and my dad easily believed me.

A few months later we sent the rifle to Remington, and they replaced it with a new rifle from their custom gun shop with a match grade barrel. It undoubtedly helped that my father was a Justice on the Supreme Court at the time, to get it replaced. They sent a nice letter with the new rifle, but never admitted the other rifle was faulty.

But the event in question happened nonetheless. Period. In case there any doubters.

Does anyone have more info on how to go through the process to have Remington swap out the trigger assembly in question? I recently inherited a model 700 made in 1970.