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Hog Shooting ? #6638387 01/18/17 08:49 PM
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Since there a MILLIONS of wild hogs doing massive destruction, WHY, should we require a license to shoot them? ... It seems to me it's a public service to get rid of them.... confused2

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Because they can?

Better question, if they are screwing up so much stuff and they're SUCH a nuisance, why is it $100-200-300 or more to kill one?


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True but don't we buy them every year anyway? My stance is if they are so destructive why do people get charged so much to hunt them!


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People charge for the land fee, it isn't cheap to own land to hunt, or lease land to hunt on, so they charge to hunt hogs to make up those costs. I don't understand the hog limits or per pound fees that some charge, that is just trying to make more money. Hey, its a free market (somewhat) and let people do what they want, but my guess is those that have limits or per pound fees will dry up eventually. Or maybe not. I don't use them, but others apparently do.

My stance on hogs is the same as what has been stated above, nuisance animal so shoot them all. I will pay a meager tresspass fee for a land owner to hunt, but that's it. heck, isn't a deer lease nothing more than a trespass fee?

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Yes, a deer lease is a fee to hunt or as one calls it Tresspass Fee. Deer do not destroy land. Hogs destroy crops, maintenance to equipment or damage, why would such a high price be on hogs. $100 for all you can get not per each?

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Because people WANT to shoot hogs. Let's face it. If you have to ask permission, then you aren't there because you want to help the landowner. You are there because you want to hunt for free. If the landowner asks for your help and you decide to help him/her, that is a different matter. Then you are there to benefit the landowner and get the benefit of hunting for free.


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Originally Posted By: Dalee7892
Yes, a deer lease is a fee to hunt or as one calls it Tresspass Fee. Deer do not destroy land. Hogs destroy crops, maintenance to equipment or damage, why would such a high price be on hogs. $100 for all you can get not per each?


Sure, deer don't root up the land like hogs can but they sure as heck are seen as nuisance animals to farmers wanting to grow crops. Just because you don't see deer as a nuisance doesn't mean some people don't.

Likewise, just because you see hogs a nuisance animal doesn't mean a land owner doesn't see it as a profitable animal, just like a deer...it's all a matter of perspective!

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It because it has an intrinsic value, hog hunting is a recreational activity. A good hog hunting spot is highly coveted by many hunters(me included). Many will pay for that privilege and do.

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I'll pay to hunt them. I don't mind buying a hunting license. I don't mind paying the Pitman Robertson tax on my arrows and ammo. I don't mind a land owner making a few bucks on my trespass fee.

I just like killing pigs.

And other stuff.


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Originally Posted By: passthru
I'll pay to hunt them. I don't mind buying a hunting license. I don't mind paying the Pitman Robertson tax on my arrows and ammo. I don't mind a land owner making a few bucks on my trespass fee.

I just like killing pigs.

And other stuff.


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Free market.

I spend a lot of money on my deer lease every year (lease fee, gas, feed and misc. items) to primarily hunt pigs. Me and my family shot 3 deer and 50 hogs last year. Add in the pregnant sows and we probably took out 80-100 hogs all together. While the rancher appreciates our efforts to eradicate as many hogs as possible, he still expects the lease payment on time and in full every year. If I didn't have the number of hogs we have on our lease, I wouldn't spend the money I do every year. I honestly enjoy hog hunting as much, or more than deer hunting.

I've seen hog hunts advertised on here for $125.00 for two hogs of any size. At that price if you process the meat your really getting a reasonable deal. Two hogs at 150 pounds each should net you 100 pounds or so of good edible meat. Add in the cost of processing(75.00-100.00 each pig) and your paying a little more than retail per pound. Going to the grocery store and buying 100 pounds of pork isn't near as much fun as hunting.

Hunting hogs has also given me a reason to buy suppressors, SBRs and NV equipment. At least that's what I told me wife.

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hmmmmmmmm........I have a ton of hogs on property. You mean I can charge everyone to kill a few? Can I quit my day job and just have a "hog hunting business"

Wheels are a spinning!!

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License?
I don't need no stinking license!
And I've killed 60-80 every year since about 1985.

But I do it on my own property.


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Feral hogs may be killed by land owners or their agents without a license.


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Originally Posted By: TexFlip
Feral hogs may be killed by land owners or their agents without a license.


Yes, but that applies to 'Depredating' hogs.

While it could be argued that ANY hog on a property is 'assumed' to be depredating, a Game Warden would be within the law to require proof.

http://tpwd.texas.gov/regulations/outdoor-annual/licenses/hunting-licenses-and-permits

http://articles.extension.org/pages/63677/texas-hunting-license-requirements-for-feral-hogs

So much easier to just get a license and be covered under all circumstances.


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Originally Posted By: CollinCountyCab
hmmmmmmmm........I have a ton of hogs on property. You mean I can charge everyone to kill a few? Can I quit my day job and just have a "hog hunting business"

Wheels are a spinning!!


yes, you can

but don't quit your day job, yet

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Originally Posted By: flintknapper
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Feral hogs may be killed by land owners or their agents without a license.


Yes, but that applies to 'Depredating' hogs.

While it could be argued that ANY hog on a property is 'assumed' to be depredating, a Game Warden would be within the law to require proof.

http://tpwd.texas.gov/regulations/outdoor-annual/licenses/hunting-licenses-and-permits

http://articles.extension.org/pages/63677/texas-hunting-license-requirements-for-feral-hogs

So much easier to just get a license and be covered under all circumstances.


Right. And is it really that much for the whole year? No.


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License?? Are you referring to a $25 TX resident hunting license? Why would that even be a question? It covers you for a WHOLE YEAR!

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Originally Posted By: flintknapper
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Feral hogs may be killed by land owners or their agents without a license.


Yes, but that applies to 'Depredating' hogs.

While it could be argued that ANY hog on a property is 'assumed' to be depredating, a Game Warden would be within the law to require proof.

So much easier to just get a license and be covered under all circumstances.

Right!
If you catch a hog in your barn with its' nose in your feed sack, no license required.
If you catch one rooting up your field, no license needed.
If you see a sounder trotting down the fence line on their way to someplace else, you need a license.

The first few times I hunted hogs on a friend's place, we just figured we'd use the "Landowner's Agent" loophole. As we learned the details of the game laws, we bought licenses and continue to do so.


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Just a ranch owners point of view who operates a hunting ranch...

Hog hunts help pay for the tons of feed we feed deer, gas for mule and taxes, etc. We charge $350/day for the first hunter and have group discounts. This includes transpirtation, guiding, quartering, cold storage,etc.

We hunt hard and always try to get everyone as many hogs as we can. That fee hardly pays more than the guide fee for our time much less anything else.

Hog hunting is a fun recreational sport that many love, including us!

We also never limit how many hogs you can get. If you can get 5 at one sit, have at it!

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I know the local Game Wardens well.
We visit 3-4 times a year and they know what's going on.
I have their blessing.


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I understand hunting ranches charging. I'm talking about farmers who constantly cry about all the damage hogs cause, but refuse free help.


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If they wanted help, they would ask for it or accept the offer. Plain and simple. Remember, it is their problem, not yours.

What you have to face is the fact that they don't see your offer of "free help" as being beneficial. Best to spend your time helping somebody who does want your help and not to worry about those who don't.


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I think most ranchers/farmers are optimists, otherwise they'd be doing something else. However, when it comes to allowing strangers onto the property, they often have to think in terms of "What could go wrong …". Yes, the hog problem might be temporarily ameliorated, but what about the potential for gates left open, trash left around, or liability for shots that leave the property or hit something other than the intended target? My wife's family has some farm property (hogs visit only rarely, not worth hunting — and I sure ain't putting out bait to try to lure them onto the place) and we get requests occasionally from deer and dove hunters. Always turn them down. Granted, we don't have a hog 'problem' to solve, but if we did there are neighbors with hog traps we'd call before allowing people we don't know on the place.

Getting free access to hunting is sort of the Holy Grail in Texas. I don't blame people for asking, and keep at it. It's difficult to find that type of opportunity but not impossible. If you do find a spot, be respectful and courteous and shoot them hogs!


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