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#6631663 - 01/13/17 08:39 PM Matador - No Dog
Brother Phil Offline
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Registered: 01/07/15
Posts: 187
I am planning a quail hunting trip to Matador. I don't have a dog. I am not a avid quail hunter, and have never been to this WMA. The main purpose of the trip is to see the area, and do some hiking. A quail shot would be a bonus. That being said, any tips on where to hunt?

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#6632175 - 01/14/17 11:29 AM Re: Matador - No Dog [Re: Brother Phil]
Mundo Offline
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Registered: 02/03/15
Posts: 215
as far from the road as you can get

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#6632211 - 01/14/17 12:00 PM Re: Matador - No Dog [Re: Brother Phil]
bill oxner Offline
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Registered: 11/03/09
Posts: 38691
Loc: Katy-Fulshear
Good luck. Let us know what you saw.
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#6632378 - 01/14/17 02:55 PM Re: Matador - No Dog [Re: Brother Phil]
3 alarm bbq Offline
Woodsman

Registered: 11/08/11
Posts: 230
Loc: hurst
Took a trip there this past week. It had been hunted very, very hard. We did not see near the numbers we found last year with dogs. That being said, there are birds, try and walk far away from any roads.

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#6632805 - 01/14/17 07:41 PM Re: Matador - No Dog [Re: Brother Phil]
catfish391 Offline
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Registered: 03/05/07
Posts: 100
Carry some water

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#6634737 - 01/16/17 05:52 AM Re: Matador - No Dog [Re: Brother Phil]
stinkbelly Offline
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Registered: 09/07/04
Posts: 7084
Loc: Parker County, Tx
Don't forget the GPS. Once you get in deep it all starts to look the same.

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#6634795 - 01/16/17 07:28 AM Re: Matador - No Dog [Re: Brother Phil]
CinchMan Offline
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Registered: 10/11/09
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Loc: Country Past The City Limit Si...
I feel really bad for the birds out there this year. Overshot and overhunted is an understatement. They have to figure out a system or lower the bag limit, shorten the hours or something out there. Way too many hunters and too many birds being taken off there.
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#6634844 - 01/16/17 08:22 AM Re: Matador - No Dog [Re: Brother Phil]
tx hunter Offline


Registered: 08/11/09
Posts: 287
Loc: Ft. Worth/Pidcoke
Was talking to a biologist out there several weeks ago and he was saying that 6,800 birds have been shot on the matador this year. Been hunting all year without a dog with great success. One thing you're gonna have to do is WALK. Pick a pasture and head for the center of it.

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#6635984 - 01/16/17 10:30 PM Re: Matador - No Dog [Re: CinchMan]
nak Offline
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Originally Posted By: CinchMan
I feel really bad for the birds out there this year. Overshot and overhunted is an understatement. They have to figure out a system or lower the bag limit, shorten the hours or something out there. Way too many hunters and too many birds being taken off there.


They already limit the harvest by limiting the open dates.

I really do not see any sign of it being over hunted.
We are still seeing coveys of 25 - 35 birds, and flushed one monster covery of close to 50, but this is way off the roads.
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#6636067 - 01/17/17 05:28 AM Re: Matador - No Dog [Re: Brother Phil]
stinkbelly Offline
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Registered: 09/07/04
Posts: 7084
Loc: Parker County, Tx
I am seeing 10 times the hunters each year compared to previous years.

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#6636250 - 01/17/17 08:42 AM Re: Matador - No Dog [Re: Brother Phil]
pharmvet Online   content
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Registered: 11/10/07
Posts: 1240
Loc: North East Tx
I tiny part of me wishes that Matador was available to Texas hunters only. But then again I really enjoy hunting in other states so I suppose it's only fair to allow out of state access.

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#6636397 - 01/17/17 09:55 AM Re: Matador - No Dog [Re: nak]
Wacm Offline
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Registered: 05/13/16
Posts: 600
Loc: Wimberley, Tx
Originally Posted By: nak
Originally Posted By: CinchMan
I feel really bad for the birds out there this year. Overshot and overhunted is an understatement. They have to figure out a system or lower the bag limit, shorten the hours or something out there. Way too many hunters and too many birds being taken off there.


They already limit the harvest by limiting the open dates.

I really do not see any sign of it being over hunted.
We are still seeing coveys of 25 - 35 birds, and flushed one monster covery of close to 50, but this is way off the roads.



It got pounded. We went back for the opener after Thanks Giving and worked our buts off to find half of what we found on the first week. I'm going to guess there are over 50% less birds in there. Those coveys consolidate. That 50 bird covey was probably a few different shot up coveys. I'm with you Cinchman. I'd rather harvest less and have a place to hunt every year then one great season and then wish I had birds to hunt. I'm glad I have private land to hunt. I know TPW says it doesn't matter but there are plenty of biologists who don't agree.

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#6636404 - 01/17/17 09:59 AM Re: Matador - No Dog [Re: stinkbelly]
Navasot Offline
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Registered: 09/22/11
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Loc: Normangee/Navasota TX
Originally Posted By: stinkbelly
I am seeing 10 times the hunters each year compared to previous years.


If it keeps in this motion i bet you see it as a draw hunt soon
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#6636819 - 01/17/17 03:01 PM Re: Matador - No Dog [Re: Brother Phil]
CinchMan Offline
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It needs to be a draw hunt, lower bag limits, and they need to impose a 4:30-5pm stop time and a 8am start time. Oklahoma makes you stop hunting at 4:30 on some of their public land. It is a freaking zoo out there, and I don't care what TPW says, it definitely affects the bird numbers overall.

Pharmvet, I agree with you and a part of me wishes it was instate only. We Texans do get to enjoy out of state trips to hunt upland birds (I've been to New Mexico, South Dakota, and Oklahoma so far this year alone), the difference is the amount of public land we have (or don't have). If we had more public land to hunt it wouldn't bother me. But the only states that have GREAT bobwhite quail hunting are Texas and Oklahoma. Kansas is ok, but there's twice as many birds in Texas.

I'd estimate that after you add up birds shot and bagged, birds shot and injured, birds shot and lost, or unaccounted for shot and bagged birds, there will have been somewhere around 10,000 birds shot at the Matador this year. There's no way that doesn't affect the overall population. But they aren't going to say otherwise.
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#6637199 - 01/17/17 07:00 PM Re: Matador - No Dog [Re: Brother Phil]
blanked Offline
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Registered: 06/03/07
Posts: 1375
Loc: magnolia tx
It's too bad Texas cannot get landowners to participate in a WIHA like Kansas or Block Management like Montana to greatly enhance the public hunting opportunities. Yes Texas has that APH program but it's so disappointing on all levels as far as quail hunting.

The landowners in Montana that participate are in it for 10 years. Montana really does a lot of work on the land to enhance the bird numbers. Excellent program

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