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#6630724 - 01/13/17 10:59 AM Mass Confusion
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Ok folks help a fella out. I bought a new scope for my Creedmoor. I got a 4-12x40 Leupold VX 2 with a LR duplex and an adjustable objective. The more I study it the more confused I get and think I bit off more than I can chew. I want to get something to learn how to shoot aome serious distance with. I have always just boresigted and dialed in a new scope but all the talk about adjusting the AO and messing with the zoom is screwing with my confidence. Now I am thinking about just selling it and getting a VX 1 like my others. Am I just over thinking it?

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#6630906 - 01/13/17 01:03 PM Re: Mass Confusion [Re: Spades]
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I believe the adjustable objective is nothing more than a parralax adjustment or focus. Gunwerks has a video on YouTube that explains parralax in simple terms and how to adjust for it.
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#6630918 - 01/13/17 01:08 PM Re: Mass Confusion [Re: Spades]
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Read this for a little clarification

http://texashuntingforum.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3371190/1/Riflescope_School

The scope you have is very simple in the realm of scopes. Adjustable Objective is simply for getting rid of the parallax for a clearer and fuller picture.

I don't know what you mean by "shoot some serious distance," but there are better suited scopes out there for distance shooting for just a little bit more money
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#6630949 - 01/13/17 01:27 PM Re: Mass Confusion [Re: Spades]
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Learn MOA, and how to adjust in MOA, and it should help. Looking at your reticle on page 26 (Link HERE), the spacing is 2.19 MOA to the first dot and 4.8 MOA to the second dot down, only on high power. Once you know your come up of the round you are shooting, you can figure out what 2.19 and 4.8 MOA holds will work at that distance. Honestly, I would just learn MOA and dial your come up in the the scope.
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#6631142 - 01/13/17 03:08 PM Re: Mass Confusion [Re: Spades]
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Capped turrets and a BDC reticle might be fine for hunting at 300/400 or less, but not really optimal for long range precision shooting.

Are you going to hunt with the rig at all? If so, then your scope options all become more expensive. All you really need to get into long range distance shooting is a scope with decent top-end magnification and turrets that track well. A useful reticle and clear glass help a lot, but aren't necessities. VX-2 isn't really a long range precision shooting scope.

I'm trying to recommend hunting/LR precision scopes to my brother and here is the list I came up with in the $300-$600 price range:

Athlon Talos BTR 4-16x44
Athlon Argos BTR 6-24x50
Vortex PST 4-16x50
SWFA SS 3-15x42

All should work fine for your needs. If you're not going to hunt, the best starter scope for long range shooting is an SWFA SS fixed-power 12x or 16x. Affordable, tough, and reliable.

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#6631247 - 01/13/17 04:08 PM Re: Mass Confusion [Re: Spades]
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Here's the best, most straightforward explanation of parallax error / adjustment you can find.

parallax illustrated
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#6631254 - 01/13/17 04:10 PM Re: Mass Confusion [Re: Spades]
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Now: if you grasp that, then it becomes easier to understand why you adjust your eyepiece to just focus on the reticle and nothing else.
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#6631262 - 01/13/17 04:12 PM Re: Mass Confusion [Re: Spades]
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If, however, you have a non-AO scope, you still focus your eyepiece to bring the reticle into perfect focus. You simply live with parallax error at distances less than or greater than the fixed parallax setting.
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#6631512 - 01/13/17 07:09 PM Re: Mass Confusion [Re: Spades]
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Originally Posted By: Spades
I want to get something to learn how to shoot aome serious distance with.


The scope you have won't get that done.

Adjustable objective is the exact same function as a side focus. It is to bring the target into focus. The yardage labeled on either one, is merely an approximate. Turn an A.O. or a side focus, until sight picture looks good to you, disregard the yardage numbers. In fact there are plenty of scopes made with no numbers, Night Force being one of them.
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#6631661 - 01/13/17 08:37 PM Re: Mass Confusion [Re: Spades]
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The proper way to use an objective focus is to observe the reticle superimposed upon the target and bob your head around a little. Adjust the objective focus until the crosshairs remain fixed on the target regardless of the movement of your head.
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#6631684 - 01/13/17 08:57 PM Re: Mass Confusion [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Originally Posted By: Spades
I want to get something to learn how to shoot aome serious distance with.


The scope you have won't get that done.


What he said although you will have to define what series distance means to you. Fireman's definition of series distance and yours may differ. You have a fine hunting scope.
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#6631700 - 01/13/17 09:26 PM Re: Mass Confusion [Re: Spades]
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Thanks for the info folks. I think I was over thinking some of it. My idea of serious and Firemans is VASTLY different. I am wanting to consistently put one in a pigs ear at 500 yds. When I can do that I will move on to better optics and greater distance. I would like at some point to visit Fireman and spend the day getting some real training.I have heard good things. Even if he is from WC! What Chadtrg42 posted pointed me to what was bugging me most. Thanks. Everyones information and time was appreciated.

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#6632013 - 01/14/17 09:24 AM Re: Mass Confusion [Re: Spades]
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Originally Posted By: Spades
I am wanting to consistently put one in a pigs ear at 500 yds.

That is a lofty goal, consistently holding .5 moa at 500, assuming a variety of hunting conditions. It's doable for some with the proper skill and equipment.
I am with JG on this, that your choice of scope will not allow that degree of consistent accuracy.
Good luck on your endeavor.

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#6632157 - 01/14/17 11:08 AM Re: Mass Confusion [Re: Spades]
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Originally Posted By: Spades
Thanks for the info folks. I think I was over thinking some of it. My idea of serious and Firemans is VASTLY different. I am wanting to consistently put one in a pigs ear at 500 yds. When I can do that I will move on to better optics and greater distance. I would like at some point to visit Fireman and spend the day getting some real training.I have heard good things. Even if he is from WC! What Chadtrg42 posted pointed me to what was bugging me most. Thanks. Everyones information and time was appreciated.


All you need is a 20 MOA picatinny rail in your action. If you want to schedule a day, I have three different Mil/ Mil scopes, we can mount, and swap out all three to your rifle. If you don't like Mil/ Mil after the day, you'd be the first one.

500 yards is pretty serious business, especially when you're wanting to put a round in a pigs ear. I've shot lots of rounds from 7 yards to 1760 yards, and I still take 400+ pretty serious. It's fairly easy to miss that far out, if the shooter and the equipment is not up to it.

I missed my cold bore shot at 500 a few days ago. The wind was howling on Wednesday, and I wanted to test myself. Yup, held too much wind correction, even though it was blowing 20+. But I did hit center on the follow up shot. My miss would have missed a pig's ear, but would have hit body if the hog was facing left. If the hog was facing right, I would have missed the hog all together. I would have never taken that shot, in that wind, on a game animal. I knew the wind was going to be very tricky.
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#6632183 - 01/14/17 11:35 AM Re: Mass Confusion [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Originally Posted By: Spades
I want to get something to learn how to shoot aome serious distance with.


The scope you have won't get that done.

Adjustable objective is the exact same function as a side focus. It is to bring the target into focus. The yardage labeled on either one, is merely an approximate. Turn an A.O. or a side focus, until sight picture looks good to you, disregard the yardage numbers. In fact there are plenty of scopes made with no numbers, Night Force being one of them.


It's main purpose is to keep reticle in same place on the target (as much as possible) even if your eye's angle to the eyepiece shifts or changes. This improves accuracy. It does so by adjusting the focal plane to the proper target distance.
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