texashuntingforum.com logo
Main Menu
Advertisement
Affiliates
Advertisement
Newest Members
TraeMartin, Beatixre, MooseSteed, Trappernewt, casyoo
71987 Registered Users
Top Posters(All Time)
dogcatcher 110,788
bill oxner 91,416
SnakeWrangler 65,416
stxranchman 60,296
Gravytrain 46,950
RKHarm24 44,585
rifleman 44,461
Stub 43,769
Forum Statistics
Forums46
Topics536,999
Posts9,719,315
Members86,987
Most Online25,604
Feb 12th, 2024
Print Thread
Groups?? #6629754 01/13/17 12:23 AM
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 5,306
D
DLALLDER Offline OP
THF Trophy Hunter
OP Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
D
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 5,306
What causes a group to string horizontal? Half inch groups that shots are touching. Gun, load, shooter or something else. Thanks again to





Re: Groups?? [Re: DLALLDER] #6629777 01/13/17 12:34 AM
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 32,442
kmon11 Online Shocked
junior
Online Shocked
junior
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 32,442
Trigger control


lf the saying "Liar, Liar your pants on fire" were true
Mainstream news might be fun to watch
Re: Groups?? [Re: kmon11] #6629860 01/13/17 01:22 AM
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 41,083
J.G. Online Content
THF Celebrity
Online Content
THF Celebrity
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 41,083
Originally Posted By: kmon1
Trigger control



^^Can be one of the reasons. I've shocked people when showing them how much they are negatively affecting their shots with poor trigger control, and lack of follow-through.

Horizontal dispersion can also be the load. You might be near a good load, but below it, or above it in powder charge.


[Linked Image]
800 Yard Steel Range
Precision Rifle Instruction
Memberships and Classes Available
Re: Groups?? [Re: DLALLDER] #6629880 01/13/17 01:29 AM
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 5,306
D
DLALLDER Offline OP
THF Trophy Hunter
OP Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
D
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 5,306
Jason, how much should I vary the load, up and down? 223 with 24.5 gr of varget & 69 gr. Nosler CCs





Re: Groups?? [Re: DLALLDER] #6629886 01/13/17 01:33 AM
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 18,907
C
ChadTRG42 Offline
THF Celebrity
Offline
THF Celebrity
C
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 18,907
.2 grains up or down for adjustment, for a 223 case. When a group strings (if it's not something else causing it), you have either just passed an accuracy node or are approaching one.


[Linked Image]
Custom and Precision Ammunition!!
https://DallasReloads.com/
Type 01 and Type 06 FFL
Re: Groups?? [Re: DLALLDER] #6629907 01/13/17 01:48 AM
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 5,306
D
DLALLDER Offline OP
THF Trophy Hunter
OP Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
D
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 5,306
Thanks. Will be working on new loads over the next few days.





Re: Groups?? [Re: DLALLDER] #6630073 01/13/17 02:59 AM
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 6,219
D
dee Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
D
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 6,219
I'm assuming ar? If bolt gun could be bedding issues.


"A vote is like a rifle; it's usefulness depends on the character of the user" Theodore Roosevelt
Re: Groups?? [Re: DLALLDER] #6630090 01/13/17 03:12 AM
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 5,900
J
Jgraider Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
J
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 5,900
When I see horizontal stringing, the first place I look is to make sure rings and mounts are tight, then I look for a bedding/binding issue.

Re: Groups?? [Re: DLALLDER] #6630458 01/13/17 02:30 PM
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 8,841
D
DocHorton Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
D
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 8,841
Half inch groups? Do you really expect much better?

Re: Groups?? [Re: DLALLDER] #6630629 01/13/17 03:53 PM
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 41,083
J.G. Online Content
THF Celebrity
Online Content
THF Celebrity
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 41,083
Originally Posted By: DLALLDER
Jason, how much should I vary the load, up and down? 223 with 24.5 gr of varget & 69 gr. Nosler CCs


Of course I agree with Chad. For a .223 case, I step in .2 gr increments.

I failed to mention tightness of all the screws on the rifle, and rings. I made an assumption everyone knows to confirm those things first. Assumptions get everyone in trouble.


[Linked Image]
800 Yard Steel Range
Precision Rifle Instruction
Memberships and Classes Available
Re: Groups?? [Re: DLALLDER] #6630703 01/13/17 04:42 PM
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 5,306
D
DLALLDER Offline OP
THF Trophy Hunter
OP Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
D
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 5,306
Bases and rings have been torqued to accepted specs. Gun is a Savage model 12 LPV. Doc, yes I hope the gun will produce better groups, may have to get a different shooter but I think the gun is better than half inch





Re: Groups?? [Re: DLALLDER] #6631179 01/13/17 09:32 PM
Joined: Sep 2016
Posts: 1,088
C
Creedmoor Offline
Pro Tracker
Offline
Pro Tracker
C
Joined: Sep 2016
Posts: 1,088
Better than 1/2 MOA? Maybe.

What power scope? Bags or rest? The rifle may be shooting 1 hole groups but other variables are causing the results.


.
There's a fine line between BRAVE ... and STUPID.

The two most important days in your life are the day you are born and the day you find out why.
Re: Groups?? [Re: DLALLDER] #6631256 01/13/17 10:11 PM
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 15,612
Q
QuitShootinYoungBucks Offline
THF Celebrity
Offline
THF Celebrity
Q
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 15,612
3 shots or 5? Pics of groups?


[Linked Image]

https://web.archive.org/web/20170223065011/http:/www.rrdvegas.com/silencer-cleaning.html
Re: Groups?? [Re: DLALLDER] #6631275 01/13/17 10:21 PM
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 3,832
T
Texan Til I Die Online Content
Extreme Tracker
Online Content
Extreme Tracker
T
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 3,832
Originally Posted By: DLALLDER
Bases and rings have been torqued to accepted specs. Gun is a Savage model 12 LPV. Doc, yes I hope the gun will produce better groups, may have to get a different shooter but I think the gun is better than half inch
I know of one that's shooting better than .5 MOA, but it took A LOT of tweaking on the loads to get there. Have you taken the trigger pull down any? I think that model has the target trigger that will go down to 8 oz.


Silver spurs and gold tequila
keep me hanging on.
Pretty girls and old cantinas
give me shelter from the storm.
Re: Groups?? [Re: DLALLDER] #6631406 01/14/17 12:18 AM
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 33,791
B
Buzzsaw Online Content
THF Celebrity
Online Content
THF Celebrity
B
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 33,791
need to see pictures of groups


SPACE FOR RENT


Re: Groups?? [Re: J.G.] #6631430 01/14/17 12:27 AM
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 2,773
G
Gone to Texas Offline
Veteran Tracker
Offline
Veteran Tracker
G
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 2,773
Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Originally Posted By: DLALLDER
Jason, how much should I vary the load, up and down? 223 with 24.5 gr of varget & 69 gr. Nosler CCs


Of course I agree with Chad. For a .223 case, I step in .2 gr increments.

I failed to mention tightness of all the screws on the rifle, and rings. I made an assumption everyone knows to confirm those things first. Assumptions get everyone in trouble.


Happened to me a few weeks ago. Couldn't group my 7mm-08 with new scope on. I didn't know what was happening. I thought I was just off or something. When I drove home I checked the rings and the Loctite didn't set for some reason and the scope ring screws were loose. bang

Re: Groups?? [Re: DLALLDER] #6632579 01/14/17 11:22 PM
Joined: Nov 2014
Posts: 1,177
D
DH3 Offline
Pro Tracker
Offline
Pro Tracker
D
Joined: Nov 2014
Posts: 1,177
If you are using a wood stocked rifle, barrel is heating up and drift is AWAY from contact w/wood. If not, check wind direction,. trigger control,scope mounting or number of beers, night before you shoot.


Old age and treachery beats youth and stupid every time!
Re: Groups?? [Re: DLALLDER] #6636177 01/17/17 01:57 PM
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 5,306
D
DLALLDER Offline OP
THF Trophy Hunter
OP Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
D
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 5,306
Right or wrong, the REM 700 Mt rifle is bedded and all pressure pts gone. If weather holds plan to check it out this afternoon.





Re: Groups?? [Re: DLALLDER] #6636215 01/17/17 02:16 PM
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 39,481
R
redchevy Offline
THF Celebrity
Offline
THF Celebrity
R
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 39,481
Originally Posted By: DLALLDER
Right or wrong, the REM 700 Mt rifle is bedded and all pressure pts gone. If weather holds plan to check it out this afternoon.


You do the bedding yourself? My dad wants me to do his. Mind sharing what you used?

You put in pillars also?


It's hell eatin em live
Re: Groups?? [Re: DLALLDER] #6636218 01/17/17 02:20 PM
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 5,306
D
DLALLDER Offline OP
THF Trophy Hunter
OP Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
D
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 5,306
Redchevy, I did not do the work. Have a gunsmith friend that did it. He also work
ed on trigger 5+ lb to 2.5 now.
This is not the same gun I posted about earlier. That is a 223, this is a 7x57.

Last edited by DLALLDER; 01/17/17 02:24 PM.




Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread

© 2004-2024 OUTDOOR SITES NETWORK all rights reserved USA and Worldwide
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3