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#6629754 - 01/12/17 06:23 PM Groups??
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What causes a group to string horizontal? Half inch groups that shots are touching. Gun, load, shooter or something else. Thanks again to
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#6629777 - 01/12/17 06:34 PM Re: Groups?? [Re: DLALLDER]
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Trigger control
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#6629860 - 01/12/17 07:22 PM Re: Groups?? [Re: kmon1]
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Originally Posted By: kmon1
Trigger control



^^Can be one of the reasons. I've shocked people when showing them how much they are negatively affecting their shots with poor trigger control, and lack of follow-through.

Horizontal dispersion can also be the load. You might be near a good load, but below it, or above it in powder charge.
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#6629880 - 01/12/17 07:29 PM Re: Groups?? [Re: DLALLDER]
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Jason, how much should I vary the load, up and down? 223 with 24.5 gr of varget & 69 gr. Nosler CCs
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#6629886 - 01/12/17 07:33 PM Re: Groups?? [Re: DLALLDER]
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.2 grains up or down for adjustment, for a 223 case. When a group strings (if it's not something else causing it), you have either just passed an accuracy node or are approaching one.
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#6629907 - 01/12/17 07:48 PM Re: Groups?? [Re: DLALLDER]
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Thanks. Will be working on new loads over the next few days.
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#6630073 - 01/12/17 08:59 PM Re: Groups?? [Re: DLALLDER]
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I'm assuming ar? If bolt gun could be bedding issues.
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#6630090 - 01/12/17 09:12 PM Re: Groups?? [Re: DLALLDER]
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When I see horizontal stringing, the first place I look is to make sure rings and mounts are tight, then I look for a bedding/binding issue.

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#6630458 - 01/13/17 08:30 AM Re: Groups?? [Re: DLALLDER]
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Half inch groups? Do you really expect much better?

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#6630629 - 01/13/17 09:53 AM Re: Groups?? [Re: DLALLDER]
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Originally Posted By: DLALLDER
Jason, how much should I vary the load, up and down? 223 with 24.5 gr of varget & 69 gr. Nosler CCs


Of course I agree with Chad. For a .223 case, I step in .2 gr increments.

I failed to mention tightness of all the screws on the rifle, and rings. I made an assumption everyone knows to confirm those things first. Assumptions get everyone in trouble.
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#6630703 - 01/13/17 10:42 AM Re: Groups?? [Re: DLALLDER]
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Bases and rings have been torqued to accepted specs. Gun is a Savage model 12 LPV. Doc, yes I hope the gun will produce better groups, may have to get a different shooter but I think the gun is better than half inch
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#6631179 - 01/13/17 03:32 PM Re: Groups?? [Re: DLALLDER]
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Better than 1/2 MOA? Maybe.

What power scope? Bags or rest? The rifle may be shooting 1 hole groups but other variables are causing the results.
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#6631256 - 01/13/17 04:11 PM Re: Groups?? [Re: DLALLDER]
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3 shots or 5? Pics of groups?
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#6631275 - 01/13/17 04:21 PM Re: Groups?? [Re: DLALLDER]
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Originally Posted By: DLALLDER
Bases and rings have been torqued to accepted specs. Gun is a Savage model 12 LPV. Doc, yes I hope the gun will produce better groups, may have to get a different shooter but I think the gun is better than half inch
I know of one that's shooting better than .5 MOA, but it took A LOT of tweaking on the loads to get there. Have you taken the trigger pull down any? I think that model has the target trigger that will go down to 8 oz.
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#6631406 - 01/13/17 06:18 PM Re: Groups?? [Re: DLALLDER]
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need to see pictures of groups
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