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#6626620 - 01/10/17 07:17 PM Re: GOP House Moves Against Public Lands on Its Opening Day [Re: Whiptail]
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Originally Posted By: Whiptail



The western states have done everything possible to exclude nonresident hunters which has done little to keep public lands public. They shouldn't be surprised that their selfish behaviors are having consequences.


Please explain how they have done so. I'm intrigued. Price? Amount of tags allocated? Do tell.

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#6626787 - 01/10/17 09:04 PM Re: GOP House Moves Against Public Lands on Its Opening Day [Re: Hunter307]
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Originally Posted By: Hunter307
Originally Posted By: Whiptail



The western states have done everything possible to exclude nonresident hunters which has done little to keep public lands public. They shouldn't be surprised that their selfish behaviors are having consequences.


Please explain how they have done so. I'm intrigued. Price? Amount of tags allocated? Do tell.



Let's see price, tag allocation oh yea some states don't even let you apply for hunts if your a nonresident.

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#6627019 - 01/11/17 12:00 AM Re: GOP House Moves Against Public Lands on Its Opening Day [Re: Erny]
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Originally Posted By: Erny
Originally Posted By: Hunter307
Originally Posted By: Whiptail



The western states have done everything possible to exclude nonresident hunters which has done little to keep public lands public. They shouldn't be surprised that their selfish behaviors are having consequences.


Please explain how they have done so. I'm intrigued. Price? Amount of tags allocated? Do tell.



Let's see price, tag allocation oh yea some states don't even let you apply for hunts if your a nonresident.


What do you think the price should be? Do you really think non residents should have the same number of tags available as residents? What states don't allow non resident hunters?

Is $500 too much for an elk tag? Is 20% too few tags?


Edited by Hunter307 (01/11/17 12:01 AM)

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#6627200 - 01/11/17 08:30 AM Re: GOP House Moves Against Public Lands on Its Opening Day [Re: Palehorse]
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I don't think there's any doubt if we don't stop our wasteful ways that one of the avenues for revenue will be the privatization of public lands. Not sure if any of you have been to National Parks lately, but I have and they aren't being manned or taken care of like they used to and that's because America doesn't have the money to do so. I'm confident Trump will appoint people and give directions that will save our public hunting opportunities but in order to do so, he'll have to cut wasteful spending from other areas of government in order to avoid this action.
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#6627234 - 01/11/17 08:49 AM Re: GOP House Moves Against Public Lands on Its Opening Day [Re: Palehorse]
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We have had this conversation many of time about the state parks here how some just aren't taken care of well. Or if they are the people who use them treat them as a dumpster. Not all people treat them like that but there out there who could care less. We have discussed why doesn't the state have a private company run the parks. Well that would naturally raise the prices to use the parks and for some people that week long summer trip to a park may be all that they can afford. The parks were created so that any person out there would be able to enjoy the park. My brother in law who has lost touch with life is a big proponent to privatize them. He often forgets that he grew up being apart of a family that could only afford a trip to Garner each summer as their vacation. Now that he is doing real well financially he has different thoughts about certain things.

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#6627582 - 01/11/17 12:30 PM Re: GOP House Moves Against Public Lands on Its Opening Day [Re: Palehorse]
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http://sportsmensaccess.org/

If you would like to oppose this transfer, please take a moment to sign the petition the site linked above. It reads this:

"Sportsman opposing the sale or transfer of public lands

Dear State and National Decision Makers:

As an American sportsman who values public lands for hunting and fishing, I request that you actively pledge your support for America's public lands legacy and oppose efforts to transfer federal public lands to individual states.

America's public lands managed by agencies such as the U.S. Forest Service and Bureau of Land Management provide important fish and wildlife habitat and public access for hunting and fishing. Millions of Americans use these lands to spend time with their families, put food on their tables and enjoy the great outdoors.

States are simply not equipped to support the enormous costs associated with managing public lands. State ownership would result in the fire sale of public lands to billionaires and foreign companies, where millions of acres would be closed to public access and an American birthright would be lost. "
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#6627939 - 01/11/17 04:46 PM Re: GOP House Moves Against Public Lands on Its Opening Day [Re: Palehorse]
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#6628291 - 01/11/17 08:54 PM Re: GOP House Moves Against Public Lands on Its Opening Day [Re: Palehorse]
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Can't we just sell off the politicians?
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#6629637 - 01/12/17 04:45 PM Re: GOP House Moves Against Public Lands on Its Opening Day [Re: Palehorse]
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Agree passthru, if only we could or start term limits.
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#6629885 - 01/12/17 07:32 PM Re: GOP House Moves Against Public Lands on Its Opening Day [Re: Palehorse]
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Has anybody received a response from their elected officials after signing the petition?

I got an email from congressman Pete Sessions. He basically agreed we should preserve public land for future generations, but then advocated transferring them to the states because of issues regarding the national debt. Typical politician talk ... completely ignores the fact that states have repeatedly sold their lands to private parties.
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#6629984 - 01/12/17 08:17 PM Re: GOP House Moves Against Public Lands on Its Opening Day [Re: Hunter307]
Whiptail Offline
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Originally Posted By: Hunter307
Originally Posted By: Whiptail



The western states have done everything possible to exclude nonresident hunters which has done little to keep public lands public. They shouldn't be surprised that their selfish behaviors are having consequences.


Please explain how they have done so. I'm intrigued. Price? Amount of tags allocated? Do tell.



Here's a few examples:

In Montana, an elk tag costs a nonresident 29 times more than a resident.

In Wyoming, it's illegal for an unguided nonresident to hunt on Federal Wilderness land.

In New Mexico, 84% of tags go residents, 10% to guided hunters, and 6% to DIY nonresidents....all for hunting on Federal land. Nonresidents can't even apply for cow elk tags.

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#6630011 - 01/12/17 08:29 PM Re: GOP House Moves Against Public Lands on Its Opening Day [Re: Hunter307]
Whiptail Offline
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Registered: 10/13/13
Posts: 126
Originally Posted By: Hunter307


What do you think the price should be? Do you really think non residents should have the same number of tags available as residents? What states don't allow non resident hunters?

Is $500 too much for an elk tag? Is 20% too few tags?


For a hunting unit that's 100% Federal land, I think 51% of the tags should go to residents and 49% to nonresidents for the simple reason that both wildlife(state asset) and land(federal asset) are both equally required for hunting to take place. The number of nonresident tags should decrease proportionally if the amount of Federal land is less. I feel nonresidents should pay 3-5X what a resident pays.

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#6630036 - 01/12/17 08:41 PM Re: GOP House Moves Against Public Lands on Its Opening Day [Re: rattler03]
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Originally Posted By: rattler03
Has anybody received a response from their elected officials after signing the petition?

I got an email from congressman Pete Sessions. He basically agreed we should preserve public land for future generations, but then advocated transferring them to the states because of issues regarding the national debt. Typical politician talk ... completely ignores the fact that states have repeatedly sold their lands to private parties.

I got one back. It was just an automated email from our Representative that said they received my message and they will get back to me.

We need to keep up the heat and let them know that if they give away our lands, they will soon be looking for another job.
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